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When Pathos Is King

R.I.P. Charleston victims and all other victims of violent racism.

Sure Jon is sincere but is he so foolish as to think that banning a flag will actually stop racism in America?  Or anywhere else in the world for that matter?

To me, as an American presently located in the southern Levant, exposed daily via local media to pictorial and film reels of people being mascaraed in their houses of worship and elsewhere, exposed to the wanton torture of civilians and prisoners of war etc., well… I see no difference between a suicide bomber blowing himself up in a crowded mosque and the mass shooting massacre that took place in the Charleston Church a few days ago.

The church shooting is an example of what goes on around here 24/7 and no one around here has suggested that banning the ISIS flag would be an effective way to address the problem of extremists and their use of violence for political ends.  I’m against the banning of ANY flag – I find the fact that people want to even ‘debate’ this issue is in itself beyond ridiculous.

We’re being inundated with (media weapons of mass) distractions here, especially from the liberal zio media.  Fact is, the murderer, by his own admission intended to start a race war – therefore he has committed an act of terrorism inspired by racist hatred.  He is a terrorist because he intended his mass murder to affect the political landscape.  This is the universal definition of terrorist/terrorism.

It also strikes me here that neither our government or our media are in a position to judge the shooter as they are both active and complicit in promoting grander acts of terrorism overseas themselves – like destroying whole middle eastern countries including numerous houses of worship where people had taken refuge and sat there praying.  I’d like for them to shut the fuck up and let the people of our country take the microphone and express themselves, their grief and their wisdom without state or media interference or direction.  The media especially should stfu and stop pretending that it’s a moral instrument in our society, leading calls for this and that, with sad violins in the background for that added Hollywood effect.

Do not buy the media’s narrative on this.   This is a case of home-grown terrorism.  It does not need a snazzy re-definition by hypocrites.  It needs sober study and assessment and respect of the law of the land.  It needs the people of our country to address their own flavor and varying degree of racism without the media and the frigging government telling them to do this and that bullshit.

Heartfelt sentiment aside, Jon Stewart provided no real substance in his monologue.  Pathos was king and the way out was nowhere to be found.

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139 comments:

  1. I definitely agree with you on this, Taxi. Jon Stewart is another Zio gatekeeper. It is very fashionable these days to blame everything on the gun-toting Confederate South, as if they are the reason for all the ills in this country. I am not even from the South, and yet I think that whole flag thing is a mountain out of a molehill and is used to frame the rhetoric of how anti-racist we are, and make self-righteous pronouncements in public. FFS, Lindsey Graham denouncing the flag? How stupid do they think we are??

    You are spot on about the weapons of mass distraction. While this was going on, the senate overwhelmingly passed the fast-track trade bill, and the TPP – one of the most treasonous acts – is all but enacted. How ludicrous is it that a congress with an 8% popularity is able to pass legislation against the will of the majority of the people that they represent, to the detriment of their nation, because their pockets are filled by corporate interests? What kind of hypocrisy allows us to preach democracy to the world with our daily examples!

    Great post, as always.

    http://www.wpromote.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Look_a_Distraction_Design_by_eecomics.jpg

  2. I think this entire “Black lives matter” movement is essentially psychological projection by Zio, lib-zio, and anti-zio Jews in our media/establishment.

    Think about all the zionist Jews marching in Ferguson a few months ago, on the heals of Operation Flatten Gaza. JVP and mondoweiss and max B were so busy re-affirming their delusions of jewish moral superiority to even point out the blatant hypocrisy and psychological projection of the zionist media establishment in their fake concern for black people.

    And the entire Ferguson episode was bogus. The video footage of Big Mike Brown strong-arm robbery of the convenience store 5 minutes before his assault on a police officer should have told anybody and everybody that they should at the very least reserve judgment against the white cop until all the facts are put together.

    Instead, we got an orgy of psychological projection from our Zionist owned media, and the lib-zios and anti-zios like JVP were marching arm and arm with the uber-zionists, in Jewish solidarity against the evil white man/white racism.

    JVP is thrilled to be shifting their attention to the “Black lives matter” movement, greatly relieved to not be talking about Israel, zionism, and Jewish racism/supremacism.

    Yup, now there’s a much greater evil than Israel, or the Israelification of the US police. Yup, the greater evil is the white man and his goyishe eternal racism.

    So 40 blacks get killed by fellow blacks in Baltimore, in the ONE month after the Baltimore riots, and you can hardly find a single Jew to even mention this fact.

    Black lives matter to these phony, jewish supremacist nationalists, but only when they are killed by a white person.

    And the music industry that only rewards black musicians when they rap, and rap about murder and drugs and rape? Never mentioned by JVP, and all the other messianic phony humanists, because we all know who owns the music industry from top to bottom.

    And we should all know that the gangsta rap cultural genocide against black people by Jewish record labels is a HUGE factor in the thousands and thousands of black on black murders in the US every year.

    If black lives mattered, SOMEBODY would be talking about who is pushing sociopathic, anti-social gangsta rap on the black community.

    • Anonymous says:

      ” 40 blacks get killed by fellow blacks in Baltimore, in the ONE month after the Baltimore riots”

      do you have a source for this pepsi? i’d be interested in reading it.

      • Also note that three of the six cops who killed the black dude in the police van were black, as was the mayor, as was the DA.

        And yet all we heard about was the evilness of white people.

      • perhaps you misunderstood. the article you linked to didn’t mention the race of the murdered people or the perps. i was interested in a source for “40 blacks get killed by fellow blacks..in one month”. any source?

        “And yet all we heard about was the evilness of white people.”

        actually they didn’t mention that in the article either. what source are you referencing?

      • Annie, are you pretending that the media coverage of the Baltimore riots and the police murder that triggered them didn’t focus on white racism of the police? You really need a source for that?

        Let me guess, you also have no idea who runs the mass media conglomerates.

      • I’ll try to I.D. exactly how many of the 43 murder victims in Baltimore were black, since it’s apparently more important to you whether the number might really be “only” 30 black people killed by other black people in Baltimore in one month after the Baltimore riots.

        The more important point, which you seem to not be as interested in, is that the ONE death of a black male in police custody got a million times more sensational coverage by our (Jewish dominated) mass media than the dozens of deaths of black people in the month after.

        Care to comment about that much more important point, or do you merely want to quibble about whether it was 30 or 40 black people killed by other black people in May in Baltimore?

        Perhaps all the hasbara rats you coddle all day are rubbing off on you.

      • you didn’t want to quibble, it was just really important to you to find out precisely how many of the 43 Baltimore murders that took place largely in high crime black neighborhoods was.

        Nope, you didn’t mean to quibble at all.

        Just like you don’t mean to support Jewish supremacy by serving as a token goy for passionate Jewish supremacist supporters of the Jewish terror state.

      • Annie, why don’t you share your thoughts on the expulsion of Allison Weir from kosher “pro-peace” circles?

        Why don’t you put yourself on the record, one way or another?

      • Pepsi – chill dude! Annie is not your enemy. I think it is cool of her to come comment here outside of the constraints of MW and share her views. I like hearing her perspective on things so let’s not make this too hostile an environment to post!

      • you’re right Cloak. She may not even have been trolling and quibbling. That’s why I don’t post here much, I just get myself into trouble.

        All that said, it annoys me that Annie lends diversity and legitimacy to a Jewish supremacist blog for tribal jihadists to present a phony image to the world.

        I’ll refrain from posting over here.

        Sorry Taxi:(

      • Pepsi – I know you have some strong opinions on that subject, but just like at GFTG, even when we have strong disagreements with each other, everyone interacts respectfully, and I have walked away from discussions by agreeing to disagree.

        It would be great to have more voices in the discussion, and creating a non-hostile environment for discussion is conducive to that. You have made many excellent points, but a combative posture does not lead to getting answers to your queries. Some things are best done via private emails rather than public posts.

        Having said that, I hope that you continue to post here and share your views.

      • Cool advice, Cloak.

        Temper-temper mister Pepsi.

        Just remember, Plato’s expects good interactive manners so as not to derail debates and the flow of information. Fell free to disagree with others all you like, but if you feel a little ‘personal’ about another visitor, then kindly remove your hiss when speaking to them or remove yourself.

        That’s about as polite as I can tell it.

      • Okay Pepsi, you’ve made your personal point. Coulda done it with less angry-white-man pazzaz though.

        Just remember, you don’t win an argument with poison spit. You win fuck all with that, actually.

      • that’s very sweet of you c&d but you don’t have to defend me. i don’t care what pepsi says about me. i deal w/rude assholes all the time and it’s like swishing a fly off my shoulder. needless to say i won’t be asking her for any sources again!

        pepsi, re allison weir. taxi republished weir’s response post here and i said exactly what i thought in the comment section. no one had to try cornering me to say it either! and i’m not dodging you, i’m simply not interested in engaging you further.

    • Psychological projection with a helping of dual loyalty squeezed in there. Anthony Weiner embodied this perfectly. He was the big nyc liberal (phil weiss used to sing his praises) and then one day during a debate with Brian Bard on I/P he flipped the LZ script and went on a zionist bender, saying ‘all of the West Bank is Israels’ [no msm reported on it anywhere]. It was a big ‘whoops’ moment, but reinforced the duplicitous caliber we are dealing with regarding LZ’s. And, it’s controlled opposition for the most part (whether they realize it or not), but more of us gave them the benefit of the doubt and we see how they stall – more recently aiming to condemn people like Alison Weir through a whisper campaign.

      I don’t think you’d ever see one of the JVP crew come down to chill in the ghetto. All hat, and no cattle as they say. They talk a good game and will stand at the front lines of a racial equality march where the media will televise such an event. It’s a method of divide & conquer to serve self/group interests. Nothing more. Look at JVP’s picture – a bunch of white privileged Jewish kids that high-five each other and pretend their progressives, but are protectors/controlled opps. for the state of Israel. No thanks.
      I’ll send donations to Alison Weir instead.

      • RudyM says:

        You can work for racial equality and still not want to spend time in the ghetto, for entirely practical reasons. And I say this as someone who at one time was dating a biracial woman in a neighborhood that taxi cab drivers were very reluctant to drive through. They were very suspicious of why I wanted to go there. (I wouldn’t call it the ghetto exactly, but a mostly black neighborhood with lots of drug dealing and more random street violence than would be the norm in neighborhoods I’ve lived in. On the other hand, the first time I went there, I took the bus and started walking in the wrong direction. I was a little scared but everything was fine. Black people out having barbecues with their families! Scary!) Anyway, I’m from the Philadelphia area, and there is (or was, when I lived there) such frequent black against white (and pretty much everyone else except maybe Puerto Ricans) hostility there that, no thanks, I’m not too interested in chilling in the ghetto. I know how to receive a message. Of course, I’ve never been an activist working on racial equality issues (and basically have never been an activist at all).

  3. How to Recognize and Deal With Mission Drift
    “Almost every organization has a tendency now and then to drift away from its mission and start down a path of following the money. Once an organization enters the mature stage of its development (email info@richardmale.com for our article on the life cycles of nonprofit organizations) the executive director’s appetite for money increases because there are a lot of mouths to feed, and the non-profit requires more people and financial resources to survive. At this stage, some organizations reverse the means and ends and focus more on maintenance of the organization rather than fulfilling the mission. This is when mission drift is likely to happen.”

    See more at: http://richardmale.com/how-to-recognize-and-deal-with-mission-drift/#sthash.tw9NtvD3.dpuf

    • JVP: “Last summer during the latest Israeli assault on Gaza, and later this fall as #BlackLivesMatter activists took to the streets nationwide, our members led JVP into action in cities across the country. To both national and local leaders, the need to act was both obvious and urgent. In St Louis, New York and Baltimore, our chapter leaders had been doing their JVP organizing in coalition for many years and already had active partnerships with African-American-led organizations, and so felt a sense of local accountability even more than a national mandate from JVP. We were grateful and eager to be led in this way, from our relationships in the grassroots on up. Building on this strength, in other cities, and for our membership at large, we offered resources and opportunities for engagement that encouraged our people to act and offered a political framework for those actions. In turn, JVP’s participation in actions alongside, and often led by, Palestinian and Black organizers deepened the relationships and experience we can now draw on to further strengthen our work. How do you think about effectiveness, and how do you measure it? Can you share an experience that helps you think about effective work in white communities for racial justice? We have built a dramatically larger and stronger organization, and the assumptions of public debate about Israeli policies toward Palestine – and of the legitimacy of Israeli democracy itself – have moved, for the better. That said, none of our accomplishments has perceptibly reduced the daily and structural violence Palestinians face. It’s thus impossible for us to talk about effectiveness without needing to name and hold this tension that during the horrific war on Gaza this summer, so much of our growth, as an organization and as a movement, occurred. Our chapters were forged and strengthened by doing civil disobedience together, and literally dozens of new chapters formed. Across the US and around the world, tens of thousands of people poured into the streets and committed themselves to this struggle.”

      This content was originally published by teleSUR at the following address:
      http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Jewish-Voice-for-Peace-on-Organizing-with-Black-Lives-Matter–20150523-0023.html.

  4. The ‘divide & conquer’ media seem intent on getting some sort of win here, which seems to eliminate a south-eastern cultural icon (their flag) and shame those people whose grandfathers fought on the southern side during the civil war. The civil war was not only about slavery, as there were really two separate spheres in the northern manufacturing and the southern plantation.

    Not a fan of Nial Ferguson, but argued that the Rothschilds ‘played a crucial part in the South’s defeat in the Civil War by declining to invest in Confederate cotton-­collateralized bonds.’ So the south/north civil war, was much for do to about global forces playing out on a smaller chess board. But many people today accept the simpler view that the confederate flag is solely about slavery via twitter feeds.

    If you take away someone’s cultural identity, which is a form of ‘secular’ iconoclasm, it’s going to create more social conflict – perhaps not yet, but oneday it will manifest itself. This is a sideshow brought to you by the MSM and played out by the beltway politicians and now has spread to commercial manufacturers. And maybe it’s about whatever circus they need to keep you preoccupied so they can push through the Trans Pacific Partnership – it’s almost nearing passage. [Trade Accord, Once Blocked, Nears Passage http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/24/us/politics/senate-vote-on-trade-bill.html%5D Shouldn’t the national dialogue be about an even greater global governance and loss of sovereignty – which is what TPP and the latter Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership aim to do?
    The media forces and their moneyed investors rely on the ‘keep it simple stupid’ message, when in reality the nation’s sovereignty is at hand.

    • Excellent post, Chu. I didn’t even know the TPP was back on the table – sneaky congress fuckers! But I ultimately blame the media: we know to reserve low expectations for politicians but the media fuckers are supposed to be 100% on our side and against the bloodsucking liars on Capitol Hill! The ‘social’ soap operas the media creates out of news and tragedies are mesmerizing, intoxicating, soporific to the masses – deliberate and irresistible! How the hell ever are we going to shake our American brothers and sisters out of it?!

      Oh man – there are so very many enemies within!

      • RudyM says:

        Not only back on the table put they just approved fast-tracking it.

        Although I’m not sure they need to do anything special to distract people from it. My impression is lots of people don’t know what it is. It has been largely blacked out in the MSM.

  5. american200 says:

    The singling out of the South and the Flag is for a purpose. One that will no doubt back fire.

    Even though it was already 90 degree this am at 7:30 I went out to my favorite coffee shop hang out to see what the local chatter was. People expressed shock and horror at the killings but think the attack on the flag is a political agenda.

    I’ve decided that I will go along with the Confederate flag removal when the Talmud, Torah, Old and New Testament are also rounded up , burned, and outlawed for their condoning of slavery and even instituting the ways slaves were to be bought and sold and willed to heirs and even outlining the property value of slaves according to color or if they were Hebrew or Gentile or ‘foreign.’
    I also want the all the Christian churches and Jewish synagogues and the Holocaust museum closed or destroyed because ‘their people’ and their religion were associated with slavery.

    They want to pin the beginning of slavery and hate on the south and confederacy?—hah!….they have to go way farther back then that.

    Holocaust the Hypocrites.#

    • Brutal, bloody war leaves visceral damage on society for generations thereafter.

      Right or wrong, this manufactured populist call by media for the banning of the Confederate flag will actually create more racism plus the added unfortunate bonus of reverse-racism.

      If the media doesn’t quit it with this flag-blab-ludicrousity, the ugliest, divisive election in our modern history is most certainly upon us, ushered in by the over-botoxed media buffoons. An election worse than the disgraceful Hillary-Obama close-up punch-ups we all witnessed. I shudder to remember the mortifying lowly level of cravenness of BOTH the Clintons playing race and gender cards against slick, suave dark horse, Obama. Evidently, their election PR moves were over-baked and stunk of cruelty and arrogance and it back-fired and Obama ended up being president. But, I digress from my beef with our treasonous media…

      Racism is America’s Achilles’s Heel. Could it be that a force out there is engineering for a ‘controlled’ measure of racial unrest: preferably under the Obama watch so as to create an association between black presidents and racial violence – putting a gigantic dent in the ‘appeal’ for a black president – making the ‘idea’ of a second black president highly toxic from a voter’s point of view – making it so out of the question to have another black president for quite some time? I’m just saying: look out for other indicators in that direction as this ‘flag’ story unfolds further. Something is not ringing right with this story: I mean a horrific-racist-terrorist act was committed in a church and the media wants to busy us all en mass with flags? It’s pure insanity. Or pure set-up. Guess we’ll be finding out inside of fifteen months.

      And from another angle: now knowing that racism is America’s Achille’s Heel, just imagine for instance if Russia or China or… well, israel, of course – all took advantage of our socio-racial weakness and started covertly sending in hundreds of thousands of crazed european skin-heads, armed and taking over neighborhoods and ‘race-cleansing’ them? Imagine hater terrorist commandos from all over the world being shipped and shifted in bulk upon our shores, wielding an endless supply of destructive armory, killing our children and families and neighbors and destroying our homes and futures. Imagine the outrage and the rage of that! If you can imagine it, then you can understand how the Syrians and other Levanteans must feel about us. Our government did exactly THAT to them, is still doing it as you read this.

      I don’t know why we bother to even vote anymore – we’re not a peaceful democracy, we’re a murderous hypocrisy. Our government and media want division without and division within – and they are obviously, sickly pretending otherwise.

      (Sorry too tired to refine/edit post, but will do tomorrow. Good night from the divided Levant y’all), (Man! I suddenly miss America!)

      • under the Obama watch so as to create an association between black presidents and racial violence – putting a gigantic dent in the ‘appeal’ for a black president – making the ‘idea’ of a second black president highly toxic from a voter’s point of view – making it so out of the question to have another black president for quite some time?

        Wow – I hadn’t even thought about that, but that is an excellent point!

      • This “racism epidemic” reminds me of what’s been going on in Europe lately. One nut shoots a Jew or two, and millions of people march in the streets to protest the nut and his racism, and hundreds of thousands of Muslims surround a synagogue to symbolically protect it, and what is the media coverage?

        The media coverage was purely about how anti-semitic Europe is, based on one or two bad apples.

        This is a good point. The parallel in this country is that fewer people get outraged about Islamophobia than they do about anti-semitism.

        You may be right that while racism exists in this country, it is frequently used as a cause-celebre when convenient.

      • taxi, i agree racism is america’s achilles heel. and i’ve been thinking the flag issue is a big distraction because it’s just not something the everyday person is going to go nuts over. especially not if it means jeopardizing our first amendment rights. the war on public opinion (i think) is going to be more over the police state and all that WOT military gear (and training – israeli style) being used for domestic purposes. so using our achilles heel as a pretext to usher in restrictive weaponry under the pretext of domestic terror — more than the black president thing — is radically concerning. in the next ten years there could be a showdown.

      • american200 says:

        ” Right or wrong, this manufactured populist call by media for the banning of the Confederate flag will actually create more racism plus the added unfortunate bonus of reverse-racism.’…Taxi

        Yea it will…..I think attacking the flag was for the purpose of ‘inflaming ‘.
        The racist will be further ticked off and even non racist are going to rebel at being attacked on some symbol most of them never even think about or care about until they and it starts getting attacked as racist–then they get their backs up.

  6. Anonymous says:

    i don’t really think about the flags and the road names as being “the problem”, i think they’re indicative of how steeped we are in the racism, just a symbol.

    for me, the main theme of stewart’s speech was how nothing will change, we can’t call it what it is — racism and terrorism, we go on about AQ and kill all these people and make light of the violence in our own society, which i largely agree with.

    i read an article that really pissed me off in the nyt today comparing homegrown/white supremist vs islamic terrorism. it was so offensive and the graph they used from the new america foundation referenced the white supremacist terrorism “nonjihadist”!!! it’s like they can’t let go of the association. so gross. and i followed the source and even the 2011 attack in tucson killing a judge and 5 others and shooting the congressperson thru the head..it wasn’t included! nor was the chapel hill shootings. those white people are mentally ill or it’s not a hate crime or something. excuses excuses. i went on a googling rampage. even if the article did admit our white terror was by far more prevalent, they number were slanted because of the way we excuse white violence, and that was something stewart mentioned. the excuses. i don’t know if they included the colorado movie theatre massacre, same thing tho. we don’t call it terror because largely that’s reserved for “the other”, not our kind.

    • Annie, what’s your definition of terrorism here?

      Is it terrorism when a white person kills a black person?

      Is it terrorism when a black person kills a black person?

      Surely you notice the psychological projection of the Jews in media and orgs like JVP, going on and on about white supremacy and white terror and white privilege.

      75-98% of US Jews support a state dedicated to terrorism, slow motion genocide, and Jewish supremacy as the law of the land.

      What was Phil Weiss’ reaction to the re-election of Netanyahu, do you remember? His immediate response was to write an article titled “Who will save Israel?”

      • Don’t be so whacked out Pepsi – white people kill white people all the time too – we don’t need no statistics to know this but we sure as hell need an attachment to realism to remember it.

    • annie – there is no question that we have White Supremacists in this country and concentration of racists in some parts more than others. Perhaps, since you and I are in the Bay area, we don’t have it pushed in our faces as much, so I am not as sensitive to it.

      But the fact is, that a flag is just a symbol of the Confederate past in this country, and while many directly associate slavery with it, the Confederacy was not all about slavery – nor was the Civil War really about that, although it is frequently painted as such. There was a lot going on in those days, and Lincoln had his own not-so-cool motives for the war. As with all wars, the victors get to rewrite history.

      Nonetheless, the flag represents nothing more than an artifact of our past. There is clearly an attempt to equate it to the Nazi flag in its offensiveness. I don’t have much time right now, or I could go into detailed portrayal of why there should be nothing offensive about the Confederate flag. We should be offended by instances of racism in this country, but not about symbols of a bygone era.

      What ticks me off about events such as these are the things we choose to get outraged about and the things we remain muted about. Of all the atrocities that we are perpetrating on the world, this is what the MSM chooses to highlight day-in and day-out. By now we should be well aware that when they do this, it is only to distract us from what is really going on – in this case the TPP and secret treaties that shred our sovereignty.

      The other thing that ticks me off (and I will save the rant for another day) are things that people declare to be offensive. I am tired of walking on egg shells around zionists, for example, because my calling a spade a spade “offends” them. More on that on another day.

      • c&d, yes i am very aware that slave labor made it financially difficult (too weak a word) for the north to compete w/the southern states and that the primary reason we fought the civil was not because of our concern for anyones “freedom”.

        the confederate flag is not something i grew up with but i don’t agree it is merely a symbol of a bygone era, although i think it is one. and i strongly disagree it is “nothing more than an artifact of our past”. for many people it’s a lot more than that.

        i don’t watch tv and was off line during the charleston attack so i don’t really know how much the flag was associated with the massacres. but i think using the massacre to focus on the flag issue is cheap (another weak word).

        re eggshells and zionists. they’re everywhere. just say what you think.

      • http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ISISspoofs/full/ISISconfederateflag.jpg

        We are so easily manipulated. The MSM knows where all the hot buttons are: race relations, xenophobia, bigotry, terrorism, Sharia Law, …

        So the latest distractions are:

        • The confederate flag and rampant racism
        • The evil white race and Jewish saviors
        • ISIS/ISIL, beheadings, Islamists, Muslims
        • Supreme Court on Gay marriages
        • Supreme Court on Obamacare
        • Transgenders, Caitlyn Jenner

         While you are at it, pay no attention to:

        • TPP
        • Israel’s atrocities
        • Gaza Flotilla
        • Unemployment
        • Homelessness
        • Fukushima radiation on California beaches
        • Perpetual wars for corporate profit
        • Banker bailouts
        • Wall Street criminals
        • Corrupt politicians

         

        What could possibly be wrong with this country?

         

        http://cloakanddagger.altervista.org/alterpages/cloakanddagger-14.png

      • My EXACT sentiment!

        WTF?!! Are we gonna stay asleep till waves of terrorism hit our shores and the heartland starts to look like Iraq?

        Are we gonna stop voting war criminal wannabes into office?! Or are we gonna let them create another hundred 9/11 to fall upon our heads?

        Hey Washington: STOP SPENDING MY DOLLARS ON STARTING OVERSEAS WARS JUST SO THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ELITE FUCKERS CAN RAKE IN THEIR ANNUAL BILLIONS AND GIVE YOU A FAT SLICE OF THEIR PIE?!!

      • american200 says:

        Fantastic comment C&D! ….I am borrowing that to fax around to friends and my congressman and senator.

      • american200 says:

        ” Who the hell is watering the race war seed?!”

        I can identify three interest groups besides the 2 political parties that are doing this.

        But watch carefully, its not the black community that is trying to start a race war and it wasn’t the black ‘community’ that called for banning the flag—it began with liberal operatives and mouthpieces and a few token black operatives among the liberals and was mega elevated and broadcast by the Jewish media wing.

        It you want to see real visceral hate, scan some of the Jewish net like Rosenberg, Blumenthal–its a hate directed at whites and south on the ‘ pretense’ of being anti racist.
        They literally drip with hate and venom. I thought I had seen their hate of ‘others’ before but the comments they have made on this are so ‘passionately’ hateful even I am shocked.

      • american200 says:

        Taxi

        June 26, 2015 at 7:37 pm

        Can you please link us to the repugnants?

        >

        You mean the repugnants of hate or the interest groups behind the flag circus?

        For the repugnants of hate just scan the twitters of those like max and mj and the I-J NYT rag. The vitriol will curl your toes.

        For the interest groups -Financial Elites for whom unrestricted immigration is also a boon for them as well as for ‘victimized’ illegals
        For both parties, but the liberals outfoxed the GOP and made them move to demonize the flag.
        For the Jewish agenda of making the US a nation of racist vr victims, division and anti nationalism of any kind.

        Follow the bread crumb trail.

      • I can’t stand to have to go to MJ’s and Max’s twitter accounts – but I’ll take your word on this.

        And the rest, well, alright – clear as a bell on that.

        But why, why, why are they doing this?!

      • american200 says:

        I will post this without comment except to say- study it- because the ‘identity Jews’ and their motivations have not changed.
        It is a mistake for the Arab or American/European world to believe that for the Jews and Israel it is only about money, domination and entitlement.
        Its about eternal hate of the other…the kind of hate that they will even destroy themselves in order to destroy the other.
        You have to understand this to understand how far they will go.

        TO UNCLE TOM & OTHER SUCH JEWS by M. Jay Rosenberg

        It is becoming increasingly fashionable in certain left-wing Jewish circles to put down everything Jew­ish. These Jewish leftists, still hung-up because they were not born Protestant, find that they can glibly resort to anti-Jewish stereotypes today without being referred to a good psychiatrist. It is now quite acceptable for the Jew to attempt to ingratiate himself with the goyim by condemning what he has always been ashamed of. It’s a sad sight. We are living in a time of exploding nationalisms. The blacks in America are the first to abjure the idea of assimilation, to realize the inherent lie in the concept of melting pot. Through black nationalism has developed a new black pride and hence the ticket to liberation. Today’s young American Jew is a good bit slower. He desperately wants assimilation: Jewishness em­barrasses him. He finds the idea of Jewish nationalism, Israel not withstanding, laughable. The leftist Jewish student is today’s Uncle Tom. He scrapes along, demonstrating for a John Hatchett, ashamed of his identity, and obsessed with it. He cannot accept the fact that he is seen as a Jew, that his destiny is that of the Jews, and that his only effectiveness is as a Jew. But he wants to be an “American,” a leftist American, talking liberation and aspiring WASP. He is a ludicrous figure. He joins black nationalist groups, not as a Jew but as a white man. His whiteness, his precious whiteness, is too valuable to him for it to be relegated to a secondary position. He does not understand that his re­ levance to the black struggle is as a Jew and a fellow victim of endless white exploitation. He can comprehend the black struggle but only in the context of his own. His involvement in these black nationalist orga­ nizations make him a living lie. Blacks don’t need his white leader­ ship and they don’t want it. The sad fact is that the Jewish Tom is an inevitable product of American civi­lization. But it is time that he realize that he, not today’s black, is the invisible man; he, like yesterday’s Negro, wanders in a no man’s land. The Jew can be an ally of the black liberation movement and he should be. But first he must find himself. He must realize that his own struggle for liberation is a continuing one, that he too has much to fear and also much of which to be proud. The miracle of Israel, a na­ tional liberation deferred for 2000 years, should be his inspiration. The Jew did it alone, as the black knows he must, and he did it with guns. Therefore it is as a Jew that I must accept black nationalism. The black militants may or may not be the equivalent of the Irgun and Stern gang, but surely the parallel is there. The Jewish war of national liberation is different from that of the blacks or the Viet Cong only in that the Jews are closer to success, but what was won by Jewish fighters on the battlefields of Palestine will not be lost by Jewish moral cowards here in America. The black revolution also will succeed, but when it does the blacks will lose all their white “friends.” They will be called “anti progressive.” They will labelled the aggressors. If they win again and again, they will be called “oppressors”. As he does now, the black will surely stand alone. He can learn this much from the Jewish experience. When they slaughtered six million of us, the good people offered us sympathy, and nothing else. They uttered bro­therly noises. It was when the fight­ ing Jew arose from the blood and ashes of Europe that we began to lose our friends. The world began to accept our national existence but was prepared to mourn our imminent demise. Who can forget those “glo­ rious” days before the Six Day War. All over the world good people demonstrated for Israel. One can almost picture the left’s reaction to the death of Israel: never-ending sympathy rallies, leftists wearing the Star of David on black arm­ bands. Israel could have come to represent the fight for freedom, the struggle to exist. Her people, driven to the sea, could have been mar­ tyrs. It would have been beautiful. But Israel won the war and in so doing she lost her “friends.” Be­ cause she survived, she shall be punished. But that is not the issue; the absurdity of the left’s anti-Israel posi­ tion can be taken up on another day. The issue is one of Jewish pride. All those Jewish students who whis­ per the word “Jew” and lower their heads when a Philip Roth story is discussed in a literature course, the Mark Rudds who âre prepared to die for the Vietnamese, the Biafrans, the Greeks, and the Czechs yet who reject Israel – these are our Uncle Toms (let’s call them “Uncle Jakes”) and our shame. The Jew must accept his identity, he’s not just another white man. It’s time he rea­ lizes he’s a Jew, and he’d better accept it. Many Jews are quick to criticize blacks for being impolitic enough to call us Jews in public. But that is what we are. From Hillel Club to the New Left is a short jump. And the inevitable jump back, by the Jewish Tom, is even shorter. A man who cannot accept his own identity is a hypocrite and a liar when he pretends to accept someone else’s. Black nationalism and Jewish nationalism will exist concurrently. To accept one you must accept the other. The black is America’s Jew; a common fight must be waged. And yet when some black spokesman tells us we are poisoning his children’s minds, when he calls us kikes, we must see him for what he is. Then he is just another goy using the Jew, the available and accepted victim, as scapegoat. We must then fight him as well. That’s the way it must be. We shall scrape for no one. And thus from this point on, I shall join no movement that does not accept and support my peoples’ struggle. If I must choose between the Jewish cause and a “progressive” anti-Israel SDS, I shall choose the Jewish cause. If the barricades are erected, I will fight as a Jew. Not arbitrarily, not in support of the UFT, but in support of myself. It is written after “the death camps, we retain but one supreme value; to exist.” Masada will not fall again. There is still time, but the burden of proof is not on the Jewish nation­alist, it is on you. You who reject your identity and do not realize that it follows you wherever you go. You who are so trapped in your Long Island split level childhood that you can’t see straight. You who fight everything you are – and against the one element that gave you your gddam social consciousness; your Jewish social idealism. In the after-math of the crematoriums, you are flippant. After Auschwitz, you are embarrassed. Thirty years after the holocaust, you have learned nothing and forgotten everything Ghetto Jew, you better do some fast thinking Jew.”

      • “Masada will not fall again”
        Lol – wanna bet?

        My instant impression of M J Goebbels’ rant: Bully fucker, guilt-tripping, white-hating, black-hating, America-hating, jewish fascist, vicious tribalist waving his talmudic dong about the place.

        Disturbing: the seriousness of his tone, above all. The hallmark of a certifiable criminal mind.

      • TO UNCLE TOM & OTHER SUCH JEWS by M. Jay Rosenberg

        Holy cow! This is an actual public post?! How much more blatant an ethno-chauvinist can you get? When did he post this? He calls out  Jewish leftists, a group that I thought he proclaimed himself to be a part of!

        to realize the inherent lie in the concept of melting pot

        How un-American is this? He is openly calling for non-assimilation. Then, why the fuck are you here? Go to Israel and be among the people you call your own!

        his only effectiveness is as a Jew. But he wants to be an “American,”

        Are you fucking kidding me! Who has a gun to your head and is asking you to be American? Just hop on the next plane to Tel Aviv and be an Israeli. Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out!

        He does not understand that his relevance to the black struggle is as a Jew and a fellow victim of endless white exploitation

        I am speechless. Exploitation? The Jews are the most privileged class in the US, dominating politics, banking, entertainment, ivy league schools, Wall Street, …, etc. If that is evidence of exploitation, quick, someone please come and exploit me!

        Thirty years after the holocaust, you have learned nothing and forgotten everything Ghetto Jew, you better do some fast thinking Jew.”

        Okay, I give up. There are no rational critiques possible for this piece of garbage. That someone can write this and still live in this country and milk our good graces and kindness, … I am dumbfounded!

        Never did like that bastard – and now I want to spit on his face.

        Thanks for ruining my day, American!


         

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      • Lol Cloak – no problem, learn away…

        Hitting the sack now after a repulsive sniff of MJ’s stinky old trash can.

        G’nite y’all.

      • american200 says:

        Taxi

        June 26, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        I can’t find a link to M J Goebbels spew – where did you get it from, American?

        >

        I retrieved it from MW where I posted it last year.
        It was linked to by the mj idiot on his own twitter.
        But that link wont work any more because he shut down that twitter account and then opened a new one later.
        So even if you go my original on MW for the link it wont work and all you will get is….”Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!”

        ”MJ (Mike) Rosenberg‏@MJayRosenberg
        This appeared in Village Voice in 1969. Quite dated. BUT my references to Uncle Tom Jews is not. –

        link to twitter.com”

        See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/zionists-heightens-blumenthal#sthash.XnPMbfNV.dpuf

        Glad I posted the text of it when I did cause you cant find it at Village Voice any more.

      • american200 says:

        C&D

        mj wrote it in 1969 in his 20’s and then went to work for AIPAC.
        Now he says he gone from that to ‘liberal zionist’.

        BUT…what has not changed is his hatred of gentiles….he tries to conceal it by being anti racist but it still comes thru.
        I started keeping tabs and researching the ‘good jews” , the anti Zionist after MW started to smell and after a huge knock down drag out with Rosenberg on his blog,
        I should have saved that exchange also cause it illustrated what I am saying about their hatred for us.
        I made a very nothing comment on his blog about how I-P affects all americans in response to a post of his talking about how it effects jews and how the US wasn’t doing enough to save Israel.
        He flew into a rage, called me a fucking anti semite who was accusing him of ‘not being American’ and I had no fucking right to a opinion on Israel cause I was a fucking goy anti semite….that ‘only Jews had a right to say what should done for or about Israel because you fucking gentiles ‘don’t count’ and are all Jew killing anti semites and nothing you fucks ever do will be enough to ‘make up for doing nothing to save the Jews.
        It was Defcon 4 meltdown and hate down on non jewish americans..it was so bad the other commenters, most jewish I assume told him to get a grip and there was nothing to what I said.
        After he did that rant he blocked me from commenting so I couldnt reply to his screed.

      • @ American

        I had a similar (but much tamer) experience with him on his, now defunct, web blog, where I challenged him on his labeling people as antisemites without proof. I also challenged him on why he didn’t take a more aggressive posture with exposing AIPAC, now that he was disavowing his past stint with them. He deleted that post and blocked me from his site.

        Fuck him, and the horse he rode into town on. I don’t feel that I need to be gentle with him and his ilk, if his post is representative of how he feels about goyim.

        I am going to go barbecue some ribs in my backyard and cool off.

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  7. Rosenberg’s 1969 screed is very telling regarding the putty like quality of his nature, something that i don’t think changes too much in a person. although, since it’s almost 50 years old, he’s probably changed many of his views since then it still demonstrates he is susceptible to severe tribal brainwashing and that’s probably morphed somewhat in the specifics but doesn’t really go away.

    he banned me too a long time ago and called me an anti semite. i can’t recall why, it’s not even worth remembering. i fell sorry for him and people like him. i think he has a psychological condition. that’s the only thing that can explain the sort of visceral reactions he has to intellectual arguments he can’t handle. something likely happened to him in his childhood.

    as for blumenthal, i don’t agree with everything he says but i respect him for many reasons, like him and think he’s very smart and on target in a myrad of ways. i don’t think his ‘white power’ argument is what you think it is and i think he uses the word white metaphorically, but it’s been a while since i read it and even then i didn’t completely understand or agree with all of it. but they are 2 completely different kettle of fish imho, rosenberg is more akin to alterman at the nation, just mired in that liberal zionist excusing muck.

    obviously we part ways on mondoweiss/ c’est la vie. i still think, because of the traffic we get, we can make a huge difference. but of course i’ve had my issues there.

    • (MJ)’s probably changed many of his views since then it still demonstrates he is susceptible to severe tribal brainwashing and that’s probably morphed somewhat in the specifics but doesn’t really go away.”

      I think if you took a good look at it, you’d conclude that Max and mondoweiss also have different specifics that have morphed, but retain the severe tribal brainwashing that never really goes away.

      “i think he has a psychological condition. that’s the only thing that can explain the sort of visceral reactions he has to intellectual arguments he can’t handle. something likely happened to him in his childhood.”

      Something definitely happened to him. Brainwashing. Just like Phil and Max and Adam. The kind that never really goes away.

      They’ll all tell you that right before modern zionism, jewish culture and values were universalist, humanitarian, and utterly superior to any other value system.

      Just try to question them on this religious-like belief and watch them turn into MJ.

      • american200 says:

        ” They’ll all tell you that right before modern zionism, jewish culture and values were universalist, humanitarian, and utterly superior to any other value system.

        Just try to question them on this religious-like belief and watch them turn into MJ.”

        >

        We’ve seen them do this already. You nailed it pepsi.

        Discussion of Jewish culture and religion is verboten!
        Which is too bad because it is a sick culture:…
        The gentiles, Christians, Europeans ‘collectively’ holocausted the Jews, they are ALL collectively bad and responsible.
        “The Jews’ all “collectively’ good and innocent…..just very very very a few bad ones like Zionist.

        You have to have the IQ of a cabbage to not see thru their crap.

      • Lol. Yeah, I think mondoweiss has found a couple dozen Zionists over the years. It just shows how hard they’re working to expose the last few. Luckily for us Americans, 95% of U.S. Jews are anti-Zionist, non-tribal, and receive less than 95% of their self-esteem from being a chosen one. According to mondoweiss anyway.

      • I’ve spent the last few days immersed in Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro & his rants against zionism — “they are impostors,” “they stole my Jewish identity,” “Jewish is not a culture, not a religion, not an ‘identity,’ it is a religion.” Zionists tried to kill it. “zionists killed Torah and put weapons and militarism in its place…” “Zionists hate Jewish religion with a psychopathic hate … a hate not borne of bigotry or of ignorance but of fear — fear that WE have not died but are increasing, and THEY have failed” …

        Shapiro is on to something.

        Phil, Max, MJ and a host of other zionist Jews are the “new Jews.” They are a synthetic concoction envisioned by persons who were deeply disturbed and self-loathing in themselves — people like Jabotinsky, who so hated his body and face that he worked out relentlessly to try to “recreate” himself; people like Ben Gurion, an uneducated East European firebrand motivated by hate and resentment; Herzl was a psychologically dysfunctional: his family and world fell apart when his sister died; the family never got over the trauma.
        Phil, Max, MJ, etc. to a greater or lesser extent do not have an authentic sense of self, they just know what they have been programmed to think. The notion that one can “create reality” is the foundation of Hollywood, where Jews synthesized an “Empire of their Own.” Jews NEED the ADL and a network of holocaust museums to continually reinforce the New Jew narrative to keep the robots programmed.

        Michael Ledeen convinced me that the alleged holocaust in Europe, to the extent it was not propaganda, was a kind of Jewish civil war: “new Jews” killed (or used the killing machinery of a war they engineered) “old Jews.” Ledeen explained that the idea is right out of Exodus (Rabbi Shapiro touches on the same theme) — when Moses came down from the mountain & Hebrews were worshiping the golden calf and clamoring to return to Egypt rather than move forward to their “new Jewish” identity in Canaan, god told Moses to instruct the Levites to KILL THEM. Jews killed Jews. Look it up.

        German Jews were necessary seed-stock for the “new Jew;” Louis Brandeis directed that they be removed from Germany and relocated to Palestine or USA. Slavic Jews were despised by zionists — they were to be destroyed, Eichmann was an intermediary in the process. Just like the Levites killing the Jews who worshiped the golden calf.

    • @annie

      obviously we part ways on mondoweiss

      I am sure that you have your very good reasons for being at MW, and I respect that, and I am certainly not going to try to persuade you otherwise, even though a writer with your skills, passion, and genuine caring, could make a mark on many other sites.

      For some of us, though, that is no longer an option (by our own choice) to continue to post at MW.

      For me, it is partly because I have been censored so often whenever I stepped out of the narrow site whims (inconsistently applied), and partly because I went from being someone who could post without having to wait for moderation to suddenly having to wait for hours or days for my posts to show up (disrespectful of my time and contributions), without any explanation for my fall from grace.

      Now that I see that MW is owned by CERSC (http://cersc.org/mondoweiss.html), with strange large donors: Ahmed Sehrawy (whose identity and motives can’t be tracked – Ahmed works for EtiSalat in the UAE – no net identity) with $1.2 million in Phillip Morris stocks being mysteriously donated by “Kevin Neel” (who? why?), and Jason Yanowitz, apparently a Chicago activist, mysteriously donating $176,000, set my spidey senses tingling, and any incentive to spend time posting there has evaporated.

      https://worldjournalism.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/6a014e5f5d3c7c970c014e5f98370d970c-800wi.gif

      Besides the questionable and secret affiliations that smack of being a front, MW’s decision to ban a number of interesting commenters like Jeff Blankfort, Gilad Aztmon, among others, has caused the quality of comments on the site to spiral. I know that you have voiced your disagreement with many of the excommunications, but not one has been overturned. The most recent failure to comment on the Allison Weir witch hunt and inability to defend her is very telling.

      http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/46/notkosher46.gif

      Meanwhile, the site is overrun with hasbarists like Hophmi, Yonah, DaBakr, Catalan, DoubleStandard, Jon S, and Adam/Phil appear to have demonstrated an amazing amount of tolerance and patience with them, despite their having disrupted many threads of otherwise interesting discussions – remarkable in itself given how repetitious their claims and talking points are. It seems that a large segment of the discussion is relegated to refuting the same points over and over again, with banned commenters being reincarnated (like eee, wondering jew) with new identities. Frankly, I am surprised that Richard Witty didn’t reappear, given how reluctant Phil was to ban his inane ass. Consequently, many of us have silently exited stage left, since we have little influence on the site’s evolving policies and preference for one genre of commenters over another.

      I know you won’t accept this, but not MW appears to walk, talk, and quack like a controlled opposition, and yet another gatekeeper for the tribe. Occasionally, Phil posts a good story that makes me want to believe in his integrity and sincerity, but then subtle chinks start to appear in his posts and comments, and some light leaks out.

      i still think, because of the traffic we get, we can make a huge difference

      Yes, that remains the weakest point in my rant above – there are no other sites with the wide readership of MW where a credible pro-American/anti-Israel position can be voiced, and that remains a huge hurdle for the rest of us to overcome in trying to instantiate and alternative. I do believe that will change as events evolve and American awareness increases. You, yourself, have noted the rising anger in the populace, and the eroding tolerance for the shenanigans of the Israel-firsters. In the meantime, our time is better spent trying to create a credible and rich alternate site, rather than providing our time and support to gatekeepers.

      Finally, what has allowed the American Jewish community (of which MW is a full card-carrying member) to do is have us cower in fear of being declared antisemites for criticizing them. That fear is now almost gone as they have rendered themselves impotent by over-abuse of that rusty sword. When there is no fear left, no tyranny can stand.

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-w-C8vLrhVbw/UpmPOL15utI/AAAAAAABwG4/DxZN4SXmVjo/s1600/tarsstripes.gif

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      • ” there are no other sites with the wide readership of MW where a credible pro-American/anti-Israel position can be voiced, and that remains a huge hurdle for the rest of us to overcome in trying to instantiate and alternative.”

        There is NO (credible) website that is not controlled at some critical choke-point by Jewish persons or interests.


        I’m keenly interested in The Empire Salon and Committee for the Republic http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Committee_for_the_Republic

        They don’t do websites, but they have influence and intellectual heft behind them — Chas Freeman, C Boyden Grey, Stephen Cohen, William (son of Paul) Nitze . . .

  8. annie,

    A large chunk of MW traffic is jewish and they ain’t trans-formative and they ain’t honest about helping either America or Palestine, due mainly to the virulent victim complex and tribal brainwashing.

    A major reason why there is no peace in the holy land is because they have not felt the satisfaction of revenge on goy yet. And they never will (read Hollywood and their seventy years of holocaust blockbusters). They have usurped the American political key to peace in the middle east and have flung it into a deep ocean, never to be found again. A new door and a new key must now be measured and made.

    It is folly to think that the American jewish community is the savior of Palestine or the savior of America. The reverse is true, by their own actions and self-created ‘facts on the ground’, both in Palestine and on Capitol Hill.

    Once upon a time MW had freedom of speech and a sanguine activist vision. Now it is an elitist shop-front with gag and marching orders for goy inquiring minds. It is the Dailykoss with marketing garnish.

    I still like Phil, despite his vanity and jello spine, but the rest of the jewish gang on MW I have zero intellectual respect for – they are aggressive political charlatans (Max), or amateur idiot minions (Alex, Alison), or worst of all, downright covert administrators or agents against change (Adam).

    Then there’s you. The fifth wheel in the shop window. Whatever keeps you there is your own personal business, but I’m not convinced at all that your presence there will lessen the hardship of a single Palestinian life, or put a single dent in the zionist wall that imprisons us all Americans.

    Once upon a time hope was to be found in MW, but nowadays, it is hopelessly as corrupt as any mainstream jurno they criticize. Ethnocentric MW is about jewish protection and jewish survival, it is not about truth and justice for all no more.

    • Love this post, Taxi! Can’t argue with any of it.

      You are exactly right in that the readership of MW is predominantly Jewish, and therefore, unlikely to change. Case in point, in all these years, is there a single instance of any Jew changing their perspective on the ME because of MW?

      It is a bit extreme, but I could be convinced that redemption is possible for MW if I were to read a vigorous debate there on why Israel should be dismantled, and all the Jews who are not from the ME be sent back to where they came from (which got Helen Thomas lynched). How about a serious and non-defensive discussion on why Jews have been expelled from so many countries over the centuries and never accepted blame for the actions that led to the expulsion without labeling everyone as antisemitic. Of course, I don’t expect to see any of the above discussed at MW because of the articulated site policy.

      http://www.the-savoisien.com/blog/public/img/internet-censorship-improved.jpg

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    • american200 says:

      Taxi

      June 27, 2015 at 6:29 am

      annie,

      A large chunk of MW traffic is jewish and they ain’t trans-formative and they ain’t honest about helping either America or Palestine, due mainly to the virulent victim complex and tribal brainwashing.

      A major reason why there is no peace in the holy land is because they have not felt the satisfaction of revenge on goy yet.”

      >

      Both points so true.

      But this…..”virulent victim complex and tribal brainwashing’….needs to be unpacked.
      Because these are the ‘reasons/excuses they give non Jews for why the tribe does what it does, why they are like they are.
      And then the well intentioned, non jewish non haters accept these reasons/excuses. Poor Jews, they are just brainwashed.

      BUT, its not the ‘core’ of the Jewish problem and the Jew’s problem. “The Jews” have not been brainwashed – ‘against their will’ for 2000 years. They embrace the ‘reasons’ for their tribalism because it benefits and justifies them.

      “ITJCS”….Its the Jewish ‘Culture’ Stupid…..should be a jingo.

      That’s why its forbidden to discuss and examine Jewish collective culture.
      Even though we can critique and examine every other group culture in the world in the ‘collective ‘ sense.
      That is the ultimate ‘gatekeeping’ .
      And that is the purpose of the MWs.
      And that is why there will never be a solution or resolution to or for the Jews.

      And even as I say this Jews and well meaning but not so smart non Jews will scream anti Semitism because it is directed at their ‘collective’ culture. They will moan and defend “”its not all Jews!’
      No, but it was never all Germans or all gentiles or all Europeans or all Christians or all Arabs or all Southerners or all blacks or all whites either.

      You cannot expect any change in the jewish problem unless this hypocrisy it admitted and confronted..
      And none of them will do this because it would destroy the myths they have established about themselves and leave them with no ‘justifications” for the tribe.

    • oh this is so much fun. and i’m to argue against the notion phil would turn into MJ if question on a “religious-like belief” that “right before modern zionism” jewish culture was “utterly superior to any other value system” ?

      there’s too much here to dive into it all, ultimately i’m not here to discuss mondowiess all the time, at all. and if you want to discussion “why Jews have been expelled from so many countries over the centuries and never accepted blame for the actions” why not just have at it here? no one is stopping you. frankly, i don’t really care. rehashing the last few centuries doesn’t interest me because i’m more interested in what’s happening today.

      the insinuation anyone and everyone has to “cower in fear of being declared antisemites for criticizing” mondoweiss is paranoia. phil, myself, and practically everyone involved and/or commenting on MW has been accused of anti semitism continually. i don’t think MW is in the business of instigating these kinds of conversations nor are they or we obliged to comment on them. i have no interest in writing about weir and one would have to read the reems of crap to even understand where all that is coming from. i don’t think phil is in fear of it just like he wasn’t in fear of having and posting that interview w/atzmon, but the fall out or spin off of it just goes on forever and sucks up tons of energy because obviously, people have so much charge on it. it’s just an endless fight someone (like myself with no dog in that fight) has to moderate. so, there’s this big fight about alison, it doesn’t involve us, we’re not the end all of end all that is required to comment on charges like who spoke on whose radio program 6 years ago. the greta thing was a different kettle of fish imho because it involved much more inflammatory accusations and implications with a fight spanning continents and all over social media. and the residue, the repercussions are still with us. alison is a formidable opponent and has defended herself remarkably (fro the little i’ve read about it, mostly here). it’s just not a fight we need to host nor feel an obligation to — one would imagine although staff has not discussed it. the idea MW has left weir “twisting in the wind” is utterly absurd and places MW (or phil or adam or me) in some guilded position of being moderator for inner activist accusations and fights within the pro palestine movement or that MW is tasked with front paging and advertising and extending fights we don’t have a dog in – is weird.

      wrt “I know you won’t accept this, but not MW appears to walk, talk, and quack like a controlled opposition, and yet another gatekeeper for the tribe.”

      what on earth difference does it make what i “accept”? do you think i care if you think MW is “a controlled opposition”. if you think we’re stand with us or the israel project i don’t care. i have no responsibility to you or anyone defend MW or why i write there. if an article i write about the torture and killing of an abducted and imprisoned man garners 50k hits (which one somehow fantasizes is trafficed primarily by jews even tho there are sites that we monitor which you can actually see who [and what] is tweeting and FB sharing these articles and i happen to know they are not mostly jews) then so what if you think i am part of a gatekeeping operation? i don’t care. i care about spreading the truth of what’s happening to the widest readership possible.

      and last but not least c&d, if your time is better spent trying to create a credible and rich alternate site, no one is stopping you or challenging you or making any effort to dissuade you.

      i was excited when taxi started this site for too many reasons to list. but i only have so much time (like everyone) so the time i spend on the internet away from MW, is not really a time i feel like reading about it. i already get plenty of that and i think i’ve already read about everything that could be said about it. there’s nothing new, enlightening, or original in these criticisms (which is fine) but it really does make clear to me how much need there is for a place away from mondoweiss so everyone can air their observations, frustrations or whatever. but, unlike you, i’m not really in need of an alternate place to discuss or read about mondoweiss. i’m more interested in something less redundant.

      i hope you all understand that and don’t take it too personally. i’ll still drop in on occasion but ultimately i think you’d be better served to just have more unhindered space to continue those vigorous debates you can’t have at MW. so, i’ll bid you adieu.

      • Point is annie, JVP is creating a serious wedge within the pro Palestine community and MW not ‘reporting’ on it, – not ‘taking sides,’ but simply not reporting on it – quite frankly is puzzling and odd when just about every pro Palestine outfit (both sides of the isle) have ‘reported’ on it. They (MW) are a journalistic outfit, right? Reporting is what they do and It makes me think that JVP donors won’t like it one bit if MW even merely ‘reports’ on it.

        There’s a very troubling wedge issue inside the community – no one can deny that. Putting head in sand or putting head in 50,000 hits does not make it disappear or render the wedge irrelevant.

      • RudyM says:

        MW frequently address various types of silencing and smearing of individuals involved working on the Palestine/Israel issue. It’s an important topic. Phil puts a great deal of emphasis on discourse about discourse. There is a ton of meta-this-and-that on the site.

        MW also has close ties to JVP.

        In the context of the above, MW’s silence on the Weir/JVP clash seems like a statement in itself.

        I do still think MW provides a good amount of valuable content. What have I ever done (in relationship to the issue) that’s more significant? Nothing.

        (I am posting this instead of doing something more constructive with my time because I am waiting for an electric screwdriver to charge.)

      • “MW frequently address various types of silencing and smearing of individuals involved working on the Palestine/Israel issue. It’s an important topic. Phil puts a great deal of emphasis on discourse about discourse. ”

        Yeah Rudy – you just articulated a valuable point that I was about to write up on. Thanks.

      • I suppose Annie plays an important role. Probably a lot of the stories she covers wouldn’t get (as much) coverage if she wasn’t doing it.
        While she lends diversity and credibility to a cabal of Jewish supremacists, she also is probably making a positive overall impact, and maybe even a big one.

        Controlled opposition is still opposition in some ways, especially since Israel and Zionism are so utterly indefensible. Opposition to Israel and Zionism is impossible to fully control, and we can think of Annie as our Fifth Column inside that rat nest.

        And mondoweiss played a big role in all of our education about zionism and jewish supremacy, and there are at least a few thousand fellow goyim who will connect the same dots we have over time.

      • american200 says:

        Well this is going to be more fun.

        ”oh this is so much fun. and i’m to argue against the notion phil would turn into MJ if question on a “religious-like belief” that “right before modern zionism” jewish culture was “utterly superior to any other value system” ?>>>>>>

        No one asked you to argue for Phil, C&D and pepsi both made statements based on ‘observation.’ And you would have no vaild rebuttal anyway since there are easily hundreds of examples of what they said by Phil, marc and guest writers there. One of my favorites by Phil was his relating his conversation with a fellow Jewish wedding guest in which Phil wondered if ‘assimilation’ and intermarriage with gentiles would transfer some of the Jewish brilliance to them while it diluted the Jews excellence. lol

        ”there’s too much here to dive into it all, ultimately i’m not here to discuss mondowiess all the time, at all. and if you want to discussion “why Jews have been expelled from so many countries over the centuries and never accepted blame for the actions” why not just have at it here? no one is stopping you. frankly, i don’t really care. rehashing the last few centuries doesn’t interest me because
        i’m more interested in what’s happening today.’>>>>>

        Whats happening today is that is while you do the grassroots BDS thing the real powers and the deciding factors in saving the Palestines, the politicians and congress, have now passed two more anti boycott laws for Israel, one in a new US Customs bill and one in the international trade bill, the TPP to punish and prevent any companies or entities or even the governments themselves in member countries from condoning or using BDS. You said you werent interested in ‘confronting’ the politicians on this. Not as much feel good fun I suppose as rallies and togetherness. And while there is value to BDS in raising public awareness it won’t prevent the Gaza slaughter or end the aid to Israel that enables it. ..because it hasn’t touched the politicians.

        ”the insinuation anyone and everyone has to “cower in fear of being declared antisemites for criticizing” mondoweiss is paranoia. phil, myself, and practically everyone involved and/or commenting on MW has been accused of anti semitism continually. i don’t think MW is in the business of instigating these kinds of conversations nor are they or we obliged to comment on them.”>>>>>

        I suggest you refer to the meaning of hypocrisy again which I think was their larger point. Dime for every time a Jew on MW has accused a commenter of anti semitism and said gentiles had a inherent disease of anti Semitism and not been censored or admonished by adm—vr.—-Jewishness religion and culture being verboten and VERY proven facts re examples of some Jews involvement with the Nazis al la Jeff Blankford are ground for banning. And even historically factual examples of immoral acts by the tribe members are censored–which happened to some of my historical examples many times in which one case was related to a discussion of assassinations where I linked to a portion of the Nuremberg trials transcripts where the discussion was about the 2 Jews that had assassinated two Germans official, one a general and one a diplomat—BEFORE hostilities even broke out in Germany and how that contributed to the nazi attitude toward Jews.
        Real history is your friend honey and it didn’t start in the 60’s.

        ”’ i have no interest in writing about weir and one would have to read the reems of crap to even understand where all that is coming from.””>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        You don’t understand where its coming from? Well I guess that explains it.

        “”so, there’s this big fight about alison, it doesn’t involve us, we’re not the end all of end all that is required to comment on charges like who spoke on whose radio program 6 years ago. the greta thing was a different kettle of fish imho because it involved much more inflammatory accusations and implications with a fight spanning continents and all over social media. and the residue, the repercussions are still with us”>>>>

        Well make up your mind whether you are or not the end all cause you sure were part of the end all in frying Greta Berlin. Greta addressed the Zionist who had relations with Hitler and therefore it was a slur on all Jews and MORE important than Jews character assassinating her, Weir, Helen Thomas, hundreds of others cause they weren’t Jews so their reputations were worthless anyway.

        ”what on earth difference does it make what i “accept”? do you think i care if you think MW is “a controlled opposition”. if you think we’re stand with us or the israel project i don’t care. i have no responsibility to you or anyone defend MW or why i write there. if an article i write about the torture and killing of an abducted and imprisoned man garners 50k hits (which one somehow fantasizes is trafficed primarily by jews even tho there are sites that we monitor which you can actually see who [and what] is tweeting and FB sharing these articles and i happen to know they are not mostly jews) then so what if you think i am part of a gatekeeping operation? i don’t care. i care about spreading the truth of what’s happening to the widest readership possible.”>>>>

        I can assure you no one cares what you accept or dont. Your problem here and any where off MW is that you are in the unfortunate position where you cant harass and gang bang and bully commenters who don’t agree with you as you do on MW.

        ”and last but not least c&d, if your time is better spent trying to create a credible and rich alternate site, no one is stopping you or challenging you or making any effort to dissuade you.”>>>>>

        We may be a small band but we are diverse and dont all agree but argue things out with respect—-not with the pissy, snide, little ego snit you are showing in this rant here.

        “”i’m more interested in something less redundant.”>>>>

        Def of Redundant….MW — Poor Palestines, bad Israel zionist, good Jews of conscience, fight anti semtism, Yah mondo.

        ”i hope you all understand that and don’t take it too personally. i’ll still drop in on occasion but ultimately i think you’d be better served to just have more unhindered space to continue those vigorous debates you can’t have at MW. so, i’ll bid you adieu.”>>>>>>

        You didn’t ‘ hinder’ our space, and we don’t take things personally, we take things on principle. ..and you just violated one of those principles by making it personal…so now you’ve been told.

      • “Whats happening today is that is while you do the grassroots BDS thing the real powers and the deciding factors in saving the Palestines, the politicians and congress, have now passed two more anti boycott laws for Israel, one in a new US Customs bill and one in the international trade bill, the TPP to punish and prevent any companies or entities or even the governments themselves in member countries from condoning or using BDS.”

        yes, i am aware of this legislation, in fact i wrote about (on MW), maybe you missed it. we published a couple other articles on it too.

        “You said you werent interested in ‘confronting’ the politicians on this.”

        if you mean ‘confrontation’ in the form of medea benjamin and code pink bloody hands confrontation, no i’m not. i’d admire others who do but it’s not my thing. but i confront politicians in other ways, i drop in at their offices and call them. your point?

        “Well make up your mind whether you are or not the end all cause you sure were part of the end all in frying Greta Berlin. Greta addressed the Zionist who had relations with Hitler and therefore it was a slur on all Jews and MORE important than Jews character assassinating her”

        berlin fried herself nobody had to do it for her. yes, we engaged after 12 days of massive escalation (and someone should link to all these other pro p sites who have published the weir thing, EI perhaps? because i have not seen them) and no it was not because she “addressed the Zionist who had relations with Hitler” it was how it was addressed and how she made up an unbelievable story to cover her tracks, and took an accusatory tone towards any/everyone who questioned her.

        “Dime for every time a Jew on MW has accused a commenter of anti semitism and said gentiles had a inherent disease of anti Semitism and not been censored or admonished by adm”

        ha! we have so many commenters there, anyone can lambast these mf accusers, it doesn’t have to be admin. so sorry i have not done enough for you in confronting these jerks, i’ll remember it’s my duty — according to you.

        ” Your problem here and any where off MW is that you are in the unfortunate position where you cant harass and gang bang and bully commenters who don’t agree with you as you do on MW.”

        contrary to whatever fantasy world you may live in american, i can say whatever i want here, if you don’t believe me ask our host. so no, expressing myself is no “problem” for me in the least. it’s more i find your obsession w/MW boring and redundant. and you can insult me while claiming how you argue things out here w/”respect” while lecturing me on hypocrisy, it’s no problem for me in the least. in fact i find it amusing.

        anyway, carry on with your version of “arguing things out with respect”. it seems as tho harassing, gang banging and bullying just might be your forte too. but alas, sounds sorta limp-dicked and angry for my taste.

        cheerio.

      • “berlin fried herself nobody had to do it for her.”

        They’ll say the same thing about you annie. Even the shining star at the center of your universe, Weiss. For similarly flimsy reasons, or for saying something that they say while not being Jewish.

        Though for some reason I get the feeling you know just what convenient Jewish myths to “believe”, and which facts to disregard.

        I guess it beats Scientology.

      • Annie Robbins June 26, 2015 at 6:18 pm
        omg phil, you’ve got me crying.

        OMG, this is how many shits Weiss actually gives about the goyim:

      • american200 says:

        ” i can say whatever i want here, if you don’t believe me ask our host. so no, expressing myself is no “problem” for me in the least.”……

        I can do whatever I want !! …the child screams as she throws herself on the floor in a tantrum….lol

        So you have special privileges and don’t have to adhere to non pissy personal comments rule that pepsi ,C&D and the rest of us are subject to?

        Well since you have failed in your promise to direct more commenters to this blog Taxi may want to reconsider your insult everyone privileges due to your non performance failure.

      • “Limp dick” and dry vagina do not a debate make.

        Attacking and conquering the others’ nether region does not a victory make.

      • American,

        Annie has no responsibility whatsoever to “direct” more comments to Plato’s. Plato’s is doing fine. I’m intentionally keeping it low profile for now till I’m ready for wider circulation – I happen to be working on that right now.

        Besides, I’m not interested in how many ‘hits’ I get – I’m first and foremost interested in blogging without the invisible hand of JVP censoring me.

      • Alison Weir was certainly worth courting when Phil Weiss had a place on the dias at a conference her organization sponsored and that put its energy behind getting onto C Span.

        Now Phil doesn’t need it anymore, so Weir can twist in the wind.

        Is that what you endorse, Annie?

      • “Attacking and conquering the others’ nether region does not a victory make around here” but

        pissy
        snide
        little ego
        snit -rant
        the child
        screams
        she throws herself on the floor in a tantrum

        apparently does

        pt taken taxi. but it still sounds limp dicked to me.

        see you on the other side

      • The list of words you give are indeed very stupid – but none of them attack your nether region. Why would you even go there in an argument? You’re much smarter than that, annie.

        And sorry, but I have no intention of going to “the other side”.

      • why would i go there? because misogynistic framing (including sexualized framing ie “gang bang”) is below the belt arguing and strikes me as impotent – along with other things like making up fake quotes i never said or never would say. btw, i linked to this blog numerous times on MW, so it was not only a lie that i “promised” to bring people here, i made several (4) attempts to do just that which can be reviewed in my archives — and that is only one of the several fake assertions ie “You said you werent interested in ‘confronting’ the politicians on this” ? how not writing articles on legislation confrontational?

        it’s that kind of arguing i find ‘lacking in fortitude’, of which limp dick is a euphemism, i didn’t realize we had a comment policy here, that’s just the way i talk when someone addresses me in insulting sexualized framing, . so while pissy tantrum and gang bang” are merely “stupid” they, apparently can still win arguments around here.

        re other side, i was referencing the way we usually communicate (non publicly).

        y’all can have the last word (and pretend i’m ranting if it suits you).

      • I don’t see any misogynistic behavior here; but even if there is, then reverse-misogyny as a response is not cool.

        If American or anyone else was striking at your nether region, I woulda called them out on it too. This is not a comment policy, it is my reasonable expectation from civilized debators.

        I am not in attack mode – I am merely observing and commenting on eye sores.

        And on the subject of eyes and sores – it’s past midnight in the Levant, my eyes are really frigging sore – g’nite ya’ll!

  9. In Annie’s defense, Mondoweiss being a front means that it won’t be attacked by the Sheldon Adelsons of the world, who with their tens of millions dedicated to eradicating BDS as if it was a malaria outbreak, could do real harm to uppity goyim who think that a highly effective pro-BDS organization would be tolerated by the JDL types.

    And let’s face it, they’re all JDL types. All of our fake “allies” like JVP, Max, Alex, and mondoweiss with their silence left Alison Weir twisting in the wind, after being hung from the highest tree. Same with Greta Berlin and others.

    JVP and the mondojews know that by declaring any goy an anti-semite, or standing by while their brothers do it, that they are leaving the goy vulnerable to personal, physical attacks by the less mondojewish, like Adelson and the Hophnis of the world.

    • But it is probably just a matter of time until the mondojews wash their hands of Annie and stand by silently (at best) as she gets the Greta/Alison treatment. Any reason will do, just like with Alison and Greta.

      They only tolerate criticism of Israel and Jewish culture when it comes from a place of deep love. Even Israel Shahak’s criticisms don’t count, because, according to Phil, Shahak didn’t love his Jewishness.

  10. RudyM says:

    Wow. That Weiss clip Pepsi posted. It’s all about finding a U.S. president who can triangulate between competing Jewish views about Israel.

    Also, I think that anyone who was gaga for Obama is probably lacking some crucial capacity for discernment. Obama is a smooth one, no doubt, but it’s not hard to see the grease and the gears in motion creating that smoothness.

    • what’s the third leg of the “triangle?”

      btw there’s no need to “triangulate” between Weiss & Dersh — they’re a continuum.

      Guess that means, What are the other TWO legs of the triangle?

      Do Americans get a say in this, or is it all about Jews?

      silly me.

      • Weiss was gaga for Obama because he thought Obama would tell Dersh he’s right.

        That about sums up mondoweiss/jvp.

        Hophni, you’re right. And we’re right. And Netanyahu is right. Now, let’s start healing that deep deep pain we all share. Together.

      • Yikes! I ain’t hugging with that thorny hoph and I certainly ain’t sharing a peace pipe with that yellow-toothed sex-slave trader, the Dersh!

  11. american200 says:

    ” apparently does

    pt taken taxi. but it still sounds limp dicked to me.”…annie

    Actually my words were pretty standard descriptions for behavior similar to mean little high school girls.
    If they appeared weak or ‘limp dick’ its because I don’t normally verbally attack females in arguments, just not the way I was raised.
    You did your passive aggressive insult and take down on C&D whose comment /questions to you were very tame and respectful –your response was rude and ‘uncalled for’ –and it warranted a response.

    And then you chose– after trying to pretend you found it amusing but were continuing to seethe and stew over it– to dig yourself in deeper.

    Call it a day and quit digging. its not constructive. Last word on this.

    • american no worries, you’re there’s insults don’t make me seethe.

      ascribing emotions to ones adversary (‘your hatred etc’) is a sign of a weak argument and doesn’t impress me, plus i’ve become immune to it from fighting w/zionists who rely heavily on it.

      but i agree w/you, your words are pretty standard descriptions for behavior similar to “mean little high school girls”, which is why i described them as misogynistic (and amusing – sorry maybe i have sick soh).

      i had no intention of ‘taking down’ C&D when i quoted her and said “”the insinuation anyone and everyone has to “cower in fear of being declared antisemites for criticizing” mondoweiss is paranoia.” just like i wasn’t taking her down earlier when i mentioned zionist were everywhere and people should just say what they want.

      everyone criticizes mondoweiss so why would anyone cower in fear for doing so? i’m being honest in saying if anyone thinks me or mondoweiss is part of a “controlled opposition”, i’m ok with it. again, i’m not here to defend mondowiess or why i write for them. and if that strikes you as seething or pissy high school or gang banging or whatever so be it.

      it just sounds here like you’ve got an ax to grind, maybe there’s built up stuff you’re unloading – so unload. but i’ve been listening to this stuff for years, which is why it doesn’t get my goat. if you, pepsi, C&D, taxi or anyone thinks phil, today, thinks zionism was ever ““utterly superior to any other value system” i am not going to try to dissuade you of that. he speaks for himself. this is a person i work closely with daily and i deeply admire him, it runs contrary to what i know to be true about the man. so coming up with counter quotes do nothing but fuel a fire under it. even when you claim i “would have no vaild rebuttal” i’m not biting.

      btw, this is not intended as a ‘take down’, it’s my reality. re digging, i’m glad it’s your last word on it. take a break and breathe.

      • annie,

        I have nothing but true admiration for your fierce individuality and for your earnest dedication to the Palestine cause. You have given so very much – and all of it out of the kindness in your heart and the righteousness of your thinking. I have never for a second doubted your agenda. But you’ll have to forgive me and allow me (and others) the doubts that I express about JVP and MW. These doubts are not based on imagination or ill-will, they’re based on the jackboot prints of JVP’s stomping all over the place and the very disappointing and upsetting fact that MW has gotten so very close to JVP in the past couple of years. It’s impossible to ignore the detrimental influence of JVP on MW’s blogging community – they have diluted the grand MW motto: ‘The War of Ideas in the Middle East’ – turned it into the ‘The Limbo of Limited Ideas in the Middle East’ – and proof of that is that MW has lost many, many, many, many of it’s most rigorous and informative bloggers to JVP-instigated censorship.

        JVP’s censorphip policies are in direct opposition to the cherished principles of liberation and the flow of information and free thought. No, I don’t like them one bit – don’t trust them one bit and I certainly have zero respect for them. And who on earth loves an oppressive censor?!

        Yes MW might be doing better ‘business’ for JVP’s extended support, but this has come at the expense of their treasured ideology. Yeah MW’s headlines might still be quirky by mainstream media standards, but their behavior and business veneer is now no different to your average zio-lefite-lib media outlet. I really don’t enjoy saying this, but from my vantage, this is exactly what MW now looks like and represents.

        I consider MW now as occupied territory.

      • taxi, you of all people, don’t ever have to ask for my forgiveness, as i mentioned yesterday i totally get it you don’t trust jvp one bit, and that you could tell me that as often as you like. i’ll extend that sentiment w/regard to MW as well. it’s not for me to “allow” you or anyone here to express whatever they want about jvp or mw.

        and as i mentioned to american yesterday i’m being honest in saying if anyone (which includes you) thinks me or mondoweiss is part of a “controlled opposition” (ie occupied territory), i’m ok with it (i’ve made my peace w/it). i’m not sure what purpose it would serve to tell you i’m not trying to control/oppose you – so i won’t.

        there are important reasons why and how your initiative here could broaden the spectrum of awareness (for me personally especially regarding lack of decent analysis, in western press, on the whole region) and if that includes, which i guess it does, focusing on mondoweiss then i’m not stopping you or trying to discourage you.

        conversations, debate, questions, complaints emails, phone calls (2 hours worth last night alone), about mondoweiss are a constant part of my life w/a myriad of people. it follows me wherever i go, so it makes perfect sense that would include here.

        some of that stuff i’ve shared my opinion so many times both online and off it seems completely redundant to repeat and rehash (which is why i frequently don’t respond to comments about certain topics, just read the archives), and some is private/fresh – ever changing, vital, important and interesting.

        i’m one person with one opinion and i can’t speak for mondoweiss, i can only speak for myself. as for having true admiration for you, that would be an understatement. but alas, we don’t agree on everything. some things i consider minor, like what may or may not constitute misogyny and appropriate limits (or not) of response to it. and some with more (personal in my case) gravity, like what kind of value to put on the presence of mondoweiss in our national or international discourse.

        some things i talk about publicly, and some things — i just don’t. we all choose what struggles to put on our front burners, whether people think mondoweiss is part of a controlled opposition, is not on mine. but it’s ok with me if that conversation happens, here or anywhere.

      • annie,

        I only just recently started posting up and writing about JVP because of their fuckeries inside the pro Palestine community – they’ve never interested me before and honestly, I can’t think of a more boring bunch to write about. But I will keep writing negz about them if they carry on with their uncalled for vicious smears.

        After close to a decade of blogging on MW, i’m kinda overdosing on things jewish – I really am absolutely and utterly jewed-out! I much prefer to focus on mideast regional analysis and usa foreign policy – and sharing out related articles of interest here on Plato’s.

        And I’m glad we can respectfully agree to disagree. You’re always welcome at Plato’s: come read, comment, or even have something published here if you ever feel like it.

        Greetings from the beautiful south Levant and many thanks to you and to all readers from around the world who take the time to visit my little mideast newsstand. I hope to improve the site soon enough so as to make everyone’s visit more informative and pleasant.

      • yeah, jvp is definitely in the muck of it right now re your ‘off balance’ post. and i’ve known you long enough to know that you’ve got no unhealthy ‘obsession’ about them. it’s valid for anyone to tear into or examine an inner jewish world psyche (re vicious smears), and although i might not frame it “utterly jewed-out”, there’s only so much of it i can take before a kind of lullness sets in where my mind goes ‘so the f what?’ (a few years ago something just popped in my mind, i expressed it as “holocausted out” where it just lost all charge for me — same thing). it takes a lifetime of brainwashing to buy into a tribal group think and for people who weren’t raised inside one, the appeal to dissect it can wear thin awfully fast. for those who were raised inside it (and i would included other religious or cult type upbringing/ indoctrination) and somehow broke out (in varying degrees) of those clutches, there’s still more of a pull there.

        but outside of sort of a grab the popcorn and watch them go at it for the entertainment value (like what’s going on w/oren right now or the jvp inner fight over ‘to host alison or not to host alison’ and whose idea was it to post that anonymous screed on their website) — the jew on jew debates — including hops or yonah de-jewing anti/non secular jews or arguing over whether gentile voices even matter in any discussion surrounding israel (seriously please, as if we’re cardboard cut outs) — i think after reading years of comments and fights — a lull has set in for me. i feel somewhat immune to all this stuff, especially after being repeatedly targeted (you wouldn’t believe some of the private emails i get or the things people write on twitter – i just block them). it all just pales in comparison to the real human suffering at the result of the ‘concerns’ regarding jewish opinion. which, i just don’t happen to think is more important than say — my opinion.

        and where individuals are concerned within that world, my personal interactions lead me to believe there are a lot of jews, whether in mw, jvp or completely unaffiliated with any of these groups, that respond just like i do to a lot of this crap, like wft so what? which leads me, in the current alison affair, to admire the way she’s handled it because she’s a warrior. the group think is only as powerful as we perceive it to be and sometimes (more often than not lately) grabbing the popcorn is my instinctual response.

        i wish i had your knowledge of the overall regional underpinnings. i so wish we had more of that at MW, but alas i don’t feel qualified to write about it with any depth (lately i don’t feel much like writing articles at all) i wish i spoke arabic. my mind keeps going back to the levant, the heart of it is so beautiful.

        everything goes in waves. my energy will hopefully pick up and something will excite me or inspire me to write or light a fire under me. unlike you i don’t have ‘the gift’ for literary expression. again, the potential here i believe is immense because of your gift. of that i am confident. thanks for everything.

      • Hey thanks for your generous and interesting share, annie. I gotta say, I wouldn’t wanna be you – having a fat dose of bickering jews every day ad infinitum – yikes!

        I’ve actually used the phrase “jewed out” once before at MW. It passed the mod magnifier. It’s there somewhere in my MW archives – heh.

        I am seriously thinking of giving up my day job and either writing the un-Great American novel over in south Cal, or dedicating the next few years to writing Plato articles from the Levant. My trip to LA this autumn should bring clarity of direction, I hope.

        And I’m up for being given advise on this by y’all. I’m at a poignant crossroad.

      • do both. what about writing the un great american novel from the levant? if you’re here, mi casa su casa. this sites just getting going so abandoning it seems… i’d miss it anyway. but if i had to choose, off the top of my head, i’d rather read the novel. that’s how hot i think you are. a merging — a great american novel which includes /jammed packed w/ME analysis.

        gotta go.

      • I could do both simultaneously from either location. The benefit of the Levant is that it is zio-free and that counts for something desirable.

        The only drag with being in the Levant is that I’m constantly having to renew my visa – real drag. When I first got here, every single villager I’d meet, soon as they found out I’m an American would immediately look me straight in the eyeball and ask: “Are you CIA”? LOL! I’m probably one of a rare handful of Americans in south Lebanon – hezbollahland. Answering the question was very awkward at first – then I got used to it and would crack jokes about it in my pidgin Arabic – “sure I am”, I’d sometimes reply; “no, I’m with the KGB”; “no, I’m with stupid”; “worse, I’m with CNN”, etc.

      • The Levant sounds like an awesome place to hang out from your descriptions. My only concern would be for the fireworks that are sure to erupt there later this year, so you may wish to wait it out for stability to resume there before heading back this fall.

      • Israel’s gonna have to get past the hezb’s secret and plentyful anti-aircraft missiles first, buddy.

        I’m not reading any imminent threats yet. We’ll see what happens when the Iran deal is signed. My army intelligence contacts tell me that israel and saudi will eat poop and stfu – israell wont’ go to war and risk the destruction of tel aviv (their economic base).

        I’m actually laughing at the israeli-saudi love-affair: imagine two cowards with big guns going off to war together heh.

  12. Islamophobic Networks influenced Roof to Kill in Charleston

    Jun 21 2015 / 9:29 pm

     

    That far right wing Jews would be trying to teach white people to hate non-Christians boggles the mind, since nothing could be more injurious to the American and European Jewish communities. But the biggest irony is that their agitation against European Muslims should have helped inspire Roof in South Carolina to kill 9 African-Americans.

     

    Juan Cole, Informed Comment –

     

    The Muslim-hatred of the Geert Wilders and Marine LePens in Europe, for which Daniel Pipes, and Pamela Geller, and the whole Islamophobic network are cheerleaders and enablers, was a key influence on Dylann Roof, according to his manifesto. These same hatemongers helped whip Norwegian white supremacist and terrorist Anders Brevik into a homocidal fever pitch in July of 2011, when he killed 77 Norwegians for allegedly being soft on Muslims.

     

    Back in South Carolina, Roof wrote that he first became politically aware with the Trayvon Martin case, in which he strongly took the side of George Zimmerman. He continued:

     

    From this point I researched deeper and found out what was happening in Europe. I saw that the same things were happening in England and France, and in all the other Western European countries. Again I found myself in disbelief. As an American we are taught to accept living in the melting pot, and black and other minorities have just as much right to be here as we do, since we are all immigrants. But Europe is the homeland of White people, and in many ways the situation is even worse there. From here I found out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.

     

    Where would he have found allegations that white Europeans are being victimized by immigrants? Here is what I wrote about AndersBreivik:

     

    “Breivik’s passions were whipped up, according to his diary, by reading anti-Muslim hatemongers such as Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller and Daniel Pipes (whose “Campus Watch” is an Israeli settler-oriented attempt to deny tenure to American academics critical of Israel’s oppression of the stateless Palestinians, and to harass more senior professors with character assassination).”

     

    It was apparently similar writings and web sites that made Roof “completely racially aware.”

     

    Unhinged millionaires and bigoted gadflies have a network funded by tens of millions of dollars. It is aimed at disenfranchising Muslim Europeans and Muslim-Americans and putting them under social pressure.

     

    Ironically, some groups connected to the Islamophic Network are, like Geller and Pipes, Jewish. But their anti-immigrant, anti-Arab and anti-Muslim rhetoric backfired on them in Roof’s case, since he went on heartily to hate Jews, as well. Many American Jews, he held, are pro-African-American, and so he abhorred them, as well.

     

    That far right wing Jews would be trying to teach white people to hate non-Christians boggles the mind, since nothing could be more injurious to the American and European Jewish communities.

     

    But the biggest irony is that their agitation against European Muslims should have helped inspire Roof in South Carolina to kill 9 African-Americans.

     

     

     

     


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  13. american200 says:

    Let me add my 2 cents to what Taxi said about MW and JVP.
    And the erroneous idea by some that some of us are obsessed with attacking MW and Phil.

    What MW, Phil, mj, Kane,JVP, J-Street and the entire group actually are to us is nothing but a ‘petri dish’ of the Jewish anti or liberal Zionist we examine to see whats what.

    We look at them and examine them just like we look at the other groups in this, to separate the wheat from chaff, point out propaganda or the gatekeeping — that bottom line ‘splits the passions’ of the cause —and ‘splits’ people and activist time and energy away from what should be the sole cause–justice for Palestine—into defense of Jews, fight against anti Semitism and so on. The Jewish groups ‘dilute’ the focus.

    Let me quote also:

    “Something happens…then you make a choice and take a side”
    Graham Green,.. ‘The Quiet American”.

    You do have to take a side in this, you cant be on the fence– and part of taking a side is exposing the propaganda, the smoke and mirrors, the hypocrisy and misdirection of most of the Jewish peace activist or any others who do “have a dog this hunt”.

    If exposing the misdirection’s, propaganda and ‘other motivations’ to ‘split the passion’ is considered attacking then thats just too bad, its necessary. Its about getting people to see thru the smoke and focus on the *real objective. The real objective is freeing Palestine–and the US too.
    It is not about protecting the Jewish tribe or helping the peace Jews reform Israel and keep US support so their Jewish State wont disappear.
    Why is not exposing the dual motivation of the Jewish groups self defeating?
    Because they will never ‘reform’ Israel as long as they support it.
    And all the talky talky in the meanwhile gives some people in this false hope that Palestine can be saved by reforming Israel.
    Wont happen.

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