Sounds convincing, but he’s lying. There are no different laws between Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs, who are all equal under the law. What he does is fudge the picture by talking about the Palestinians, ruled respectively by the Islamic terrorist organization Hamas in Gaza and by the kleptocratic regime of Mahmoud Abbas (Fatah) in the West Bank. These Palestinians are NOT citizens of Israel, so of course Israeli laws don’t apply to them. They’re a would-be nation that is still waiting for its leaders to get serious about making peace with Israel and create their own state. THEN, and only then, will they have their own laws to rule them rather than the ones Israel is forced to use to rule them in the meantime, rules which are by definition different.
But where Peled becomes really hilarious is when he says that Israel should include all these Palestinians and become one State. It is hilarious because in the process he blithely ignores the dreadful reality of Israel’s neighbors, all in some state of decay, anarchy or implosion. And he wants Israelis to believe that the Palesitnians will become model citizens of the only functional democracy in the Middle East overnight? Sometimes I think he’s missing one if not several screws.
How do you envision the future of Israel over the next decade or so?
Israel is doing fine and will keep doing fine. It’s the Palestinians who need to come out of their losing obsession with taking all of it to become “Palestine”. This absurd dream is what has been holding them back forever instead of facing reality and making the concessions they need to make to reach a final peace agreement. They’re still stuck in th infantile notion that this is a zero-sum game, where they get everything they demand and Israel gets nothing. They badly need to grow up. Defeated aggressors don’t get to dictate their terms. They are the ones to whom terms are dictated, and in this respect they’re too dumb to appreciate their luck by facing Israelis rather than Syrians or Russians. Had it been the case, there would no more Palestinians to speak of (ask the ones stuck in the Yarmouk camp in Syria). So to get back to your question, it should be “how do you envision the future of the Palestinians over the next decade or so? The answer? They’re very close to losing everything they ever had a chance to keep and build on, and may well end up with nothing in their hands at all. And blaming Israel or the rest of the world is not going to change anything about it. The bottom line is that everybody, including the Arab world, is sick and tired of the Palestinians, and the latter better realize it while they still can.
Lol – what a racist-supremist frou-frou.
Everything I expected from a manicured Apartheid lover.
Let me answer Sean’s question: Keep an eye on what’s happening in the Golan – there be the beginning of the end of israel – inside a decade.
Regarding the question — how do you envision the future of Israel over the next decade or so? — you are suggesting that Palestinians are on the verge of losing everything. What does that mean?
+What will be the fate of Palestinians in the occupied territories?
+What will the final borders of Israel look like?
+What will Israel’s relations with the United States, Europe and the rest of the world look like? (Israel is currently one of the most unpopular nations on the planet.)
+What kind of state will Israel be — modern Western democratic (not ethnocentric or theocentric) or Jewish ethno-religious nationalist?
“Had it been the case, there would no more Palestinians to speak of (ask the ones stuck in the Yarmouk camp in Syria).”
You should maybe ask yourself why it is that these poor vulnerable people have been stuck in that refugee camp in the first place. It’s because they were expelled from their own homeland by a bunch of European zionists
Yeah, we know zionists think Apartheid = democracy. Thanks for sharing your hasbara.
When and if you are capable of articulating anything beyond slogans that any well-trained parrot can repeat, let me know.
Oh I am perfectly capable of refuting your immoral delusions but your cliche propaganda is so goddamn boring.
You are not the first or the last person to copy-paste from the hasbara manual.
Hi Taxi, thanks for not leaving that unopposed.
Earlier, I conferred with an old (old) friend about how to refute the original contention (“…he’s lying…all equal under the law…democracy…” yadda yadda yadda..). You know, some points such as the ‘basic law’, the lack of a constitution, the current evictions of Palestinians from their homes in East Jerusalem’s Sheikh Jerrah neighborhood to make room for religious Jews.
But he advised me not to bother, that redjeans and his like refuse to see the reality in front of them. (Do they really not see it, or are they just trying to keep others from looking?) Their pants are still red with the blood of the Nakba’s ethnic cleansing, Deir Yassin, etc., on up to the last Gaza massacre.
Israel’s future? Their time is ending. 2021. Make amends.
Your “old (old) friend” is most wise. Like they say: only fools argue with loons.
After more than two decades of parsing, nitpicking and stomping with gusto all over every single zionist argument under the sun, I just feel that it’s less of a waste of my (extremely precious) time to either ignore zionists, or just bitchslap them instead of debating them. That’s where I’m at with the whole ‘debating zionists’ thing.
Other posters like our Sean actually look to engage with zionists and that’s cool too. But me, I’m sooo over it – been there, done that, bought the T-shirt and toasted to a crisp all redjeans in sight.
Germany also has no constitution but just a basic law instead (“Grundgesetz”), but I don’t hear you having vapors over it. Evictions of Palestinians from “their” homes? Israel evicts illegal squatters (both Jews and Arabs) who can’t prove ownership of their homes, and since many in Jerusalem stole them from Jews when the eastern part of the city was illegally occupied by Jordan in 1948, it’s only normal. Add to that the minor detail, which you omit of course, that the houses that are destroyed either belong to families of terrorists or were built illegally, and that gives it a very different look. Any house built without permit anywhere in the world is destroyed, I’ll have you know. Palestinians, despite what they tend to believe, are nothing special and are not entitled to any special treatment. The Nakba? Ah yes, the failed Arab aggression meant to wipe out all the Jews which miserably failed and turned into…. well, yes, a catastrophe. And a well-deserved one it was, just as the Germans and the Japanese got their deserved Nakba after trying to brutally conquer the world. Palestinians are no different. Deir Yassin and the Gaza “massacres”… Yes, of course. Nothing happened before that could possibly have led to these events, right? No attacks from Syrian troops in the village, and no rains of rockets from Gaza over Israel, repeatedly over 10 years? It’s truly astonishing to hear your selective rendering of history. Just like the would-be knife killers today, justifiably gunned down on the spot, are hailed as victims, as if they had done nothing wrong. You are special all right. Like mental patients are special.
Look, it’s very simple: you stole a whole nation through blackmail, bribery, coercion, force of arms and ethnic cleansing – you refuse to give back what you violently stole, but one day you will be forced to – with reparations and a cherry on top.
Rewriting history will not stop this creeping eventuality. Neither will diverting attention from the sickeningly long list of isreali crimes against the Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptian, Iraqi, Sudanese, Yemeni and Iranian people – and let’s not even start with israeli crimes against USA citizens and our armed forces – read USS liberty.
The whole world knows what a despicable pit of leeches and snakes israel really is – calling this racist Apartheid state a “democracy” deserves no less than wanton ridicule.
Despite the continuing loss of their land at the hands of supremist israeli people and successive governments, the Palestinian cause has never been stronger on the world stage. Hasbara billions gone down the drain. Not forgetting here also that the axis of resistance against Project Greater Israel is now trained and armed to the teeth.
The tables will be turned against the motherfucking zionists at the eleventh hour of their ‘Palestine final solution’ and they will be left with naught but the Hague and a self-created exodus.
Even the mossad-loving CIA says this.
LOL – Where did that projection come from? The Jews are not the special ones?
“Taxi” (what a great name: anybody can stop you, hire you and pay you… what does that make you?… 🙂 ), I know your limited intellect can’t quite grasp that concept, but I’ll have you know that I don’t need any manual. Dismissing everything you can’t answer to as mere “hasbara” is the sign of yet another minus habens incapable of refuting sound arguments. You say you can? Prove it! Either you actually can’t (my choice) or you’re too lazy (mmm… very tempting, too), so what does that leave you? Here: you’ve lost the argument. Checkmate. Suggestion: just shut your big mouth since you have nothing to say.
Of course you will resort to name calling. I rest my case motherfucker.
Lost again. Who’s resorting to name calling and insults here? A moron, that’s who (you in this case, since you don’t appear to be the smartest in your litter).
I bet you got a hard-on from that pretend victory of yours.
You wrote to Taxi: “just shut your big mouth since you have nothing to say.”
The tone and style of your posts help reinforce the impression that many or even most pro-Israel activists suffer from disfiguring personality traits that are undermining the cause they are working so hard to promote:
As it turns out, these are attitudes that are commonly associated with messianic ethnic nationalists, who view themselves as being locked in a titanic struggle with ethnic cult outsiders — whom they regard as inferior beings (even subhuman). This is why ethnic nationalist movements tend to self-destruct and fizzle out — they polarize the entire world against themselves.
Zionism emerged from the same cultural currents that produced German National Socialism, Italian Fascism and Japanese nationalism.
Wikipedia: List of Fascist movements
Ran Baratz, whom Benjamin Netanyahu just appointed as his communications director, recently described John Kerry as having the mental age of a 12-year-old:
Quintessential Zionism — all cult outsiders, in their minds, are morons and savages — at best, beasts of burden who can be easily manipulated and pushed around. They always misread the world around them.
Oh, you’re getting better. Now we’re down in the gutter of sexual allusions. Well, I understand. Islam and Muslims are not exactly the most enlightened when it comes to sexual freedom, so it had to pop up at one point. Severely frustrated and suffering from all kinds of attached complexes is more like it. I feel sorry for you.
Redjeans: “Taxi” (what a great name: anybody can stop you, hire you and pay you… what does that make you?… :))”.
Redjeans: “Now we’re down in the gutter of sexual allusions”.
Eat own crow now.
While not totally wrong, Peled is not totally right because he oversimplifies certain facts. It’s true that there is one law for all Israelis, Jews and Palestinians alike but there is a marked difference in the application of the law. Some Jewish communities are off-limits to Palestinian-Israelis and there hasn’t been a single Palestinian town built since the Nakba. About 200,000 Palestinians with Israeli citizenship have had their villages declared illegal by Israel and are therefore deprived of schools, hospitals, postal services, electricity and running water. So Israel and Peled can brag all they want about having one law for all, but this is not true. The case of the “undivided capital” comes to mind where the Palestinian sectors don’t receive the same services as the Jewish parts.
Another of Peled’s oversimplification involves the ease by which Israel could absorb the Palestinian population. This is true of a fraction of the people that are educated and have been exposed to life in the modern world but there are countless farmers and labourers that haven’t been blessed by an education and more so those refugees living in the camps on the West Bank (200,000) and Gaza (500,000). Of course there are some college students from among the camp refugees but these are not in the majority. These people cannot be absorbed at the push of a button because to suddenly expose them to the Israelis would spell trouble for bot groups. This isn’t to say that it shouldn’t be done but rather there has to be a period of preparation and adaptation for both groups before letting this happen.
Is Redjeans going to address my post or is he satisfied with having berated Peled, Arabs, Palestinans, Moslems and so on? So far unless he demonstrates a bit more knowledge about the situation he sure sounds like he’s reading from a script.
“…Israel and Peled can brag all they want about having one law for all,” Walid, this is the opposite of what Peled is saying, so it’s very strange to read this sentence.
What he’s actually saying is that Israel and the occupied territories and Gaza and the West Bank, etc., are already de facto a single state because it’s all ultimately controlled by the Israeli gov’t. and army. And that they have different laws for people in different sections, which is defined as apartheid.
As for Israel proper, there may be one law on the books, but it is administered differently. Like segregation was not codified in the US outside the South, but it existed in practice.
apologies, apologies, b.grand, You are right and I understood the exact opposite of what he was saying. My mistake. I turn the sound on and off all the time to not disturb others in the room with me so I’m guessing those few seconds I took to turn on the sound threw me off. Thanks for the correction. As to the other point in my comment about the ease of adaptation for Israelis and Palestinians to suddenly live together, there is no change.
redjeans digging – hole – deeper – & deeper seems to me , Walid.
The History turned on its head and swivelled round and round ad nauseam !
No match against our amazing Taxi !
It’s disappointing to not have good Zionist debaters, Bintbiba. At times I’m tempted to change sides to argue points on their behalf just to have a bit of excitement because they do have selling points but they are not aware of them because they stick so much to their hasbara SOP.
I just loved your “frou frou ” thang !! 🙂 Beautiful !
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