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“Looks like I’m being attacked as being a Zionist” – Stephen Zunes/Facebook
October 3, 2015 6:59 am
Gretchen, Very thoughtful and all, but this is the disease that has always killed any movement: having the enemy inside. This time, it's worse than inside, it is in a leading position. It already has poisoned the air enough to make it hard to breathe --excommunicating the most valuable people for no reason related to Palestine solidarity. More importantly, it has managed to devalue the aims of the boycott movement, from fighting the occupation to the "liberal" Zionist objective of fighting only the post-1967 occupation! This only helps the Zionists hold on to power for one more lease, as it emphasizes the "human" liberal Zionism that keeps alive the "two states" myth, while continuing the genocide; it gets off the hook the Zionist entity as if this had nothing to do with the occupation. I am in a hurry to declare that I have no relationship whatsoever with JVP. If we cannot oppose and unmask Zionism pitilessly, which we cannot do as long as we are Siamese twins with an organization full of Zionists, which officially forbids criticism of Zionism, we cannot be credible at all. Only a rare Zionism sympathizer can be convinced by such wishy-washy positions. JVP is killing us. Let those who want to continue their sabotage stay in the bosom of their tribe; the anti-Zionists among them will join other groups anyway. JVP is an internal contradiction of Zionism. A good thing in itself as long as it lasts. More power to them. Not a good thing for antizionists to have inside their own movement, though.
Jewish Anti-Goyism and the Entrenched Divisions in the Palestine Movement
September 4, 2015 6:57 pm
Sorry, Taxi. Of course every situation is always more complicated than it seems. Everything, though, boils down to a few basics that do or don't check with one's principles. The worn plea of "it looks wrong but it's so very much more complicated than you think" doesn't sound any different than when used by the usual Zionist. I hoped to further discuss here how we could end any formal collaboration with JVP and Co. (and rid the solidarity movement from tribal Zionist sympathizers working to keep the 2-state negotiation open as the next excuse for continuing genocide) but I like working on a single issue at a time when together with people, that's why I certainly will avoid intervening here. As for the charge of being impolite or offensive, it may well be true but I don't see where.
September 3, 2015 3:22 pm
Do we really need a group of people that proudly identifies itself as practicing tribal identity politics and gladly includes Zionists to dominate a life-or-death fight against Zionism? The absurdity of it! If anyone who follows the Jewish religion or has some illusion of a non-religious "identity" wants to help, why don't they do it just as human beings --the focus is liberating Palestine, not wasting time with some 2.5% marginal tribe. We don't need JVP. Or Max.
September 4, 2015 8:49 am
Taxi, all I see in Egypt is an old, Zionist-led, US-sponsored murderous military dictatorship, rewarmed with a putsch against a duly elected government and untold barbary against the people, period (in stenographic terms an Egyptian model revamped and recycled in ex-Turkish garb.) All the "geopolitics" talk doesn't cancel that; additional considerations and personal preferences etc. do not change the few basic elements. Perhaps I am especially sensitive, having lived under a military dictatorship for a longish time. Yes, I'm aware of the major surprise on MW at your defending something so crass. Anyway, this is your site and you have just indicated you didn't want it discussed. There was no need to flare up though, as not only did the discussion not come up unprovoked, it was not even a discussion of your position re Egypt but only a warning that defending simultaneously divergent positions may alienate a good number of the people you need or want to work with (i.e. the antizionists.) I am not discussing it with you again ever, because that's distracting from Palestine. That's all.
September 3, 2015 5:09 pm
Well then, stick to your fascists. No friends of the Palestinian resistance, major allies of Zionism and slaves of the US. My point was that you cannot run multiple issues without losing you alliances. Especially if your position on one is diametrally opposed to the other.
September 3, 2015 9:30 pm
I think you didn't read. Of course Max is a tribalist asshole even though he writes very well, there's no discussion there. This only had to do with injecting one's own take on completely different situations, forcing each other to start bitching about extraneous things like military dictatorships.
September 3, 2015 3:04 pm
The way you go about it you may lose a lot of people, too. Defending this or that faction in matters not directly related to Palestine, (or defending obvious enemies of Palestinian resistance), like you do for Egypt, is incredibly divisive. If you can stick to Palestine and Palestinian resistance as only our common interest it may become more productive. And yes, obviously this is not just Max B but a whole, well-oiled machine of tribal/fake nationalist control both within and outside Zionism. We have to focus on that, not get at each other's throats when the problems are already huge. It's you site of course; if you want to blow steam defending, say, the Zionist-US-controlled fascists of Cairo or something else, enjoy. At a price.
Largest Ever Med Gas Field Found off Egypt – AFP
August 30, 2015 9:33 pm
What's there to be sick? They fuckin' own Egypt, if you paid attention --much easier than Gaza.
Who and What the Heck is Plato's Guns?!
August 30, 2015 5:37 pm
No, just what the plain words mean: only interested politically.
August 30, 2015 5:22 pm
A very good idea. A judeocentric take on Palestine is almost the dominant style (sometimes looking like the only available style) on the Web and the US street --even some sites run by non-Jewish Arabs. It may do some good in places but too close to fraternization with the enemy or even invasion advocacy. Just bear in mind that some of us are one-track minds with no cultural ties to Palestine.
MUST SEE VIDEO of West Bank protest goes viral – Ynetnews
August 29, 2015 4:54 pm
"The soldier pictured was lightly wounded as a result of the violent actions against him.” With that kind of expression, at times one really has to wonder if Zionists still belong to the human species.
August 30, 2015 5:35 am
Protection of a resistant by the PA? Are you ill?
August 29, 2015 5:08 pm
The women acted with extreme competence in dangerous conditions. "Smashing the soldier's face", using rocks etc. probably would have ended in a massacre. Any intervention from the adult males around was impossible for the same reason. When you watch the movie, you'll see a couple of spots where the soldier was ready to start it. By the way, the young girl, Ahed Tamimi, had been awarded the Handhala prize for courage in confronting the occupation, a couple years ago.
August 29, 2015 9:18 pm
Getting the text from Ynet may have made sense in that "even the enemy recognizes it" but boy, is it irritating to read! Especially the part on "particularly violent pictures"... tens of thousands of murders by bullet, tanks, cannons, incineration, tractors, bulldozers, torture have no violence. Three Tamimi women... particularly violent. I am seriously afraid for Ahed now. She already was a well-known role model, now she's a national hero... some serious protection is needed.
Study: 15% of West Bank Settlers Are American – Jack Moore/Newsweek
August 29, 2015 5:21 am
Why not? Of course these murderous goons will reflect the rane and the average of American Zionists. They are "Democratic" more often than not; and why should they be uniformly "Ultra-Orthodox" when Zionism is essentially a non-religious racist operation? It's only in the last years that religious Jews joined them. That American average is plenty batshit crazy enough. All it takes is a race-based nationalism. Remember, the Nazi youth were non-religious, educated, music-playing and civilized-looking youth, too.
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