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Phyllis Bennis: ISIS Is Filling The Holes Left By The US War On Terror – Sean Nevins/MintPress
September 14, 2015 5:59 pm
Sean, thanks for the list and I agree with the additional terms. But, as you know, the problem is not limited to neocons. Pilpul, as a rhetorical trick, is employed by both zionists and gatekeeping anti-zionists and imo, has had an insidious effect (as is its intent) on eroding and diluting critical discussion on issues pertaining to the Israel/Jewish lobby, zionism and I/P. It's important to recognize and expose this tactic and those who use it because, as you point out, it's designed to obfuscate---to prevent identification of causation--- and therefore resolution -- of the true problem. The consequences of side-tracking this discussion, for the US and for the global community, have obviously been devastating. This tactic has been effectively employed for decades..... but no longer. The truth is being exposed, as are those who would attempt to prevent it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-shasha/what-is-pilpul-and-why-on_b_507522.html
September 15, 2015 10:17 am
@ Hostage--- First, a question---given your passionate and vehement defense of JVP and In the interest of full disclosure, what is or was your relationship to JVP? Have you ever served as a member on the Board of Directors, Advisory Board or Staff or had any other organizational position? "Yeah I’d say that Alison Weir’s response to JVP contained a few good examples. She complains that she doesn’t associate with racists herself, but that JVP does, and that many people have refused to work with JVP as a result, because they won’t work with Zionists. That’s pilpul. No one can cite a single example of Alison defending JVP’s behavior against these alleged anti-Zionist gatekeepers in the past." Agree with American---this makes no sense to me. If you choose to pursue this---quote and link please. "In fact, her whole attempt at damage control was pretty underwhelming. She admits that she’s never had any official relationship with JVP and claims their attempts to prevent her from making appearances were unsuccessful. FYI, JVP doesn’t own or control any public venues" "Underwhelming?" Your opinion--I simply disagree. FYI, JVP has engaged in defamation of character utilizing "McCarthyist, guilt-through-association attacks" (Alison's words) http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2015/06/19/alison-weir-replies-to-jvp-leaders-mccarthy-like-attacks/ As you're surely aware, one doesn't have to "own or control public venues," when one engages in this form of attack in an attempt to obstruct dissemination of information and ideas. "The notion that Chomsky is preventing anyone from expressing their views in the internet age is utter nonsense." pilpul ----1) this was not the point being discussed and 2) I've seen no such accusation by anyone. "Frankly, I’m getting pretty tired of linking to relevant published sources of information on Chomsky and Bennis, while you guys are writing sermons from the mountain top, changing the subject, compiling bullshit bullet lists, doing a lot of dissembling, and acting like I shouldn’t notice." That's not necessary, Hostage. Save yourself the time and energy. We don't seem to be communicating, so I doubt that additional links will solve the problem or additional discussion, for that matter. This issue is much larger than the individuals and organizations discussed and involved--- Chomsky, Alison Weir, Phyllis Bennis, JVP. etc. It exposes the desperation and determination by some in the Jewish community to control, not just the Palestinian solidarity movement (as Jeff Blankfort has stated) but also to control the dialogue and actions of anyone exposing truths about zionism and the Jewish/American/Israeli lobby. However, attempts to suppress the truth always fail over time and often have a paradoxical effect---- revealing not only the truth, but exposing those who would attempt to suppress it, as well.
September 14, 2015 7:28 pm
Thanks American and Taxi. And thanks to whomever shared the article on pilpul a few days ago----Chu maybe?--sorry that I don't remember. Anyway, it clarified a few things for me and I've circulated it a bit.
September 14, 2015 2:32 pm
Nail on head, American. Most of us are perfectly capable of recognizing gatekeeping, pilpul and hasbara----no matter who's dispensing it.
September 15, 2015 1:09 pm
"then you probably should STFU about cultural boycotts and listen for a change....In any event, as the old saying goes: if I ever decided to get smart with you, how would YOU know? ;-)" (Hostage) This response was directed to another commenter, but regardless-----it's offensive. Is it even possible for you to have a civil discussion with those who may disagree with you, because I've noticed that you frequently resort to abusive personal attacks. That's where the conversation ends for me.
A Review of the Reviewer of Max Blumenthal's Book
September 9, 2015 12:56 pm
Hi, Gilad. Great to see you at Taxi's. Thanks very much for all that you do.
September 9, 2015 8:20 pm
Maybe---but that will be their problem. As per our discussion on tribalism vs universalism on the other thread, those who subscribe to tribalism will find themselves increasing isolated in a world that is rapidly moving past that mentality. If that's what they want--their choice--- as long as they don't harass the rest of us as we attempt to live inclusive, expansive lives.
September 10, 2015 1:35 am
I think I understand your point, American, although I'm not quite sure. Personally, I prefer to be identified as an individual and I just assume that most people prefer to be identified that way as well. I have noticed that some people don't mind identifying with a group if they feel that it's personally advantageous or if they feel that the group protects or shields them in some way. Group identity, if motived by either personal gain or fear, is generally temporary, as it drops away if there is nothing to be gained or when the fear is overcome. We're all also identified, usually by others (but often we self-identify) as members of a group--either by race, ethnicity, religion etc., but I've noticed that even this may be falling away, particularly among young people. There seems to be much less focus on identifying and labeling others and labeling themselves as members of a particular racial or ethnic group and much more acceptance and a pursuit of a diverse racial and ethnic environment. I find this a very hopeful sign for the future.
September 9, 2015 8:23 pm
PS. Taxi, when you have a moment, would you contact me? Thanks.
September 10, 2015 4:38 am
Thanks for the additional explanation. It seems to me, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that we share common thoughts on the subject, with perhaps the difference being that you may feel that group identity has more of an influence on one's behavior and choices and I would like to believe that it has less...but you may be right. I may be underestimating its significance.
September 9, 2015 7:46 pm
"First, the whole world saw the assault on Gaza through social media in real time, plenty of it and for 51 days and more and more and more – everybody and their uncle Don saw what was going down, so why should anyone feel the need to buy an unoriginal book on it thereafter?...Max should be told by someone that his unprovoked and despicable smear-assaults on solidarity movement members through his twitter and through his interviews is the very reason why a growing chunk of the solidarity movement are not interested in his views or his books anymore... he’s a lousy ‘visionist’ and an egocentric..." That nails it, Taxi. Many of us are growing increasing exasperated in witnessing the attempt by some Jews to filter history. Even if he is presenting a first hand report of his experience in Gaza (and I haven't read the book and certainly don't intend to), who would believe him now? He has absolutely no credibility given his lies about a respected member of the solidarity movement. You know, this policing of the speech and actions of world's 7 billion non-Jews by a some in the Jewish community is becoming quite tiresome. There are corrupt Jews, just as there are corrupt members of all of the various races, ethnicities and religions that comprise the human family. We have every right to discuss the role that corrupt Jewish individuals played in historical atrocities (the holocaust, the Spanish civil war etc,) just as we have the right to discuss the role that corrupt individuals of any ethnicity or religious group have played. The key, imo, is to be careful not to generalize about any group because we are, after all, individuals, ultimately each responsible for our own actions and in the end, we're members of only one tribe--- the human family.
September 10, 2015 1:08 am
One other thought. About the "guru words." I sincerely appreciate the kind words, Taxi---I really do---- but you should know that that's not me......verrrrrrry far from it, actually---and those who know me would be happy to confirm that fact. :)
Jewish Anti-Goyism and the Entrenched Divisions in the Palestine Movement
September 7, 2015 12:15 pm
Hi Jeff--great to see you here at Taxi's. Like many others, I have great admiration and respect for you and consider you a "virtual mentor" (to quote Thomson Rutherford of MW of old). In addition to Taxi's question, I wonder about your thoughts on why the Palestinians leading the solidarity movement are so easily manipulated by Jewish groups to betray their true supporters?
Iran Winning Propaganda War Against Iran – Gordon Duff/ Veterans Today
September 8, 2015 12:44 pm
Thank you, dearest Taxi.
September 7, 2015 4:24 pm
Sorry for the late comment on this thread--I agree with you Taxi-- "Even though I see room for much improvement, I don’t wanna rag on VT. I want VT to chill and go minimalist (heh heh). But seriously, VT, love ’em or hate ’em are actually very important to the fight against zionism , on our soil especially." fwiw, I appreciate your editorial choices, including VT, and hope that you will continue to trust your knowledge/intuition in making your selections. I don't consider VT any less reliable than the leading zionist 'newspapers of record'--the NYT and WaPo. Your voice is authentic, honest and fearless (and has been thus consistently--was reading old MW archives recently). Your choices, imo, distinguish this blog from other sites, including anti-Zionist sites.
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