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New CIA Information on JFK Assassination – Keith Thomson/HuffPo
September 20, 2015 3:02 am
Re: But the mob and Israelis working together wouldn’t be unthinkable. Of course not, Ben Gurion started out in Poland extorting contributions at gunpoint from wealthy Jews and ran the labor union rackets in Palestine after his arrival there. Unlike Jiimmy Hoffa, he was operating a state within the state with his own armed forces and assassins, long before he and the Jewish underground took over from the British. But I think Ben Gurion would have been more likely to have used one of his own experts or Sayanim from the USA if he was involved at all, rather than rely on the mafia. Re: Kennedy stated his demands in a letter to Levi Eshkol dated July 5, 1963, less than ten days after Eshkol became prime minister of Israel. It's a little known fact, that in 1945, the Jewish underground resistance established a six person joint oversight committee to plan and coordinate the operations of the Hagana, Irgun, and Lehi in driving the British government out of Palestine. It was called Committee X and Levi Eshkol was its chairman during the subsequent period when several assassinations of persons considered dangerous to the Zionist case were successfully planned and carried out. So there's really no need to invoke Ben Gurion per se. FYI, in 1953-54 Ben Gurion staged a retirement from politics and moved to Sde Boker to recuperate. The whole affair was a political ploy and the government spent a small fortune on security and communications for his small hut there. The Kibbutz had been founded by a former member of Lehi, Yehoshua Cohen, who was already famous for planning the assassination of Lord Moyne and the attempt against Harold MacMichael the British High Commissioner for Palestine and training the teams that carried-out the missions. He became Ben Gurion's bodyguard and constant companion for the remainder of the Old Man's life. In 1973, researchers were shocked to discover an entry in Ben Gurion's diary for September 19, 1948 which revealed that Ben Gurion knew all along that Cohen was the actual trigger man who murdered Count Bernadotte and that he had admitted it to him. So we are certainly talking about men who had no qualms at all about murdering foreign government officials and plenty of actual experience killing those who threatened them or stood in their way.
What It Means To Be Jewish – Rabbi Jonathan Sacks/HuffPo
September 20, 2015 3:45 pm
Re: If all religions are human inventions (which I think is the case), and if all variant interpretations of particular religions are also human inventions, then anti-Zionist Judaism enjoys no more intrinsic divine authority than Zionist Judaism. Of course, but it still represents the common wisdom that "The Golden Rule" always represents the wisest course of action and that hatred of your neighbors and genocide always end-up destroying so-called nation-states from within. There's a corollary maxim that "A nation is a group of people who misunderstand their own history and hate their neighbors." The Hebrew scriptures are certainly man made. In fact, some of the books of the Hebrew canon obviously don't even belong together, since they were written by adversaries who were trying to discredit one another's beliefs, practices, and right to national leadership. The discovery of ancient textual materials in the 20th century revealed that some works, like "The Testaments of the 12 Patriarchs", were probably of Jewish origin, and not Christian forgeries as some had previously supposed. There were competing Jewish groups, who were writing apocalyptic literature - all in the names of the ancient prophets and patriarchs - championing the idea of a Messiah from the tribe of Levi, Joseph, et al. There were even some who predicted a Gentile messiah by employing Genesis 49:10 as the end of the line for self-rule, i.e. The scepter will not depart from Judah, ... UNTIL ... Read in that light, the Prophet Isaiah seems to have viewed Cyrus as the promised Messiah. Ezra and Nehemiah may have viewed him that way too, since their accounts contain no other apparent Divine warrant that sanctioned their missions to Palestine, or why so many other Jews remained behind in Babylon. 2nd Commonwealth Jews seemed to have predicted that Vespasian would become the ruler of the known world, based upon their own interpretation of the Hebrew scriptures (more below). Re: Jewish religious Zionists now overwhelmingly dominate the world of Judaism and the Jewish religious establishment, and they can provide thousands of passages from the Torah that justify — even encourage and mandate — racism, xenophobia, segregation, cultural supremacism, militarism, violent aggression, genocide, totalitarianism, etc. So what? Every year they still have to observe Tisha B'Av: Five misfortunes befell our fathers ... on the ninth of Av. ...On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6 It doesn't matter how many times you read the story about how all of that came about, it always ends the same way (as I described above). The Talmud is the "Oral Torah" to Orthodox Jews. It provides the only truly authoritative interpretation of the scriptures and the Halakhah. On Tisha B'Av every year these religious ass hats have a national day of fasting and mourning over the destruction of the Temples and the exile of the Jewish people. There's only one story about the reasons all of that happened and the successive Jewish revolts ended in exile - and that's the one I'm talking about. There aren't thousands of verses which say something else, like the Jewish community would have succeeded if they'd only persevered and acted just a little more hateful, racist, or xenophobic. The Talmud records the fact that the founder of Rabbinic Judaism, Yochanan Ben Zakkai, faked his own death to get through a blockade established by the religious Zealots and had his students smuggle him out of Jerusalem in a coffin during the Roman siege. He and the other Sages had recommended making peace with Vespasian and predicted that he would become Emperor of Rome. Likewise, the secular historian Josephus suggested that the Roman Empire and the rise of Vespasian were foretold by the prophecy of Daniel. He and some other Jews may have looked upon him as the fulfillment of Genesis 49:10. According to Josephus, the Zealots put an end to the daily sacrifices donated by the Roman authorities, and it was tantamount to a declaration of war. In the end, he cites that as one of the reasons God turned against the Zealots. Titus offered them a truce in order to deliver animals for the daily sacrifice in the Temple. But the Zealots refused to lay down their arms, saying that God would not let his holy city Jerusalem be captured. Josephus replied that they were wrong, because God had changed sides when they defiled the Temple, killed some of the priests, and ended the sacrifices that the Romans were kindly trying to restore. He also noted that God had let the Temple be destroyed in the past.
September 18, 2015 3:12 pm
Re: Two words: messianic ethnocentrism. Shall we all play? Yeah he's nuts, but Shia tradition is just as ethnocentric about the qualifications of their messianic figure as the Jews and Christians are about theirs. They may all be people of the same Book, but it sometimes seems like they all look forward to the day when they won't have to share the same Heaven or Earth with one another.
September 20, 2015 3:25 am
Re: But it’s time for you to admit that during this historical era you’ve lost the battle for hearts and minds among your fellow Jews — the Israeli government, the Israel lobby and the Jewish establishment have thoroughly crushed your marginal camp in the Jewish world. I've never been involved in a battle for Zionist hearts and minds. I'm not their mommy or daddy. I've spent years openly ridiculing and condemning them like everyone else here. All I'm saying is that they are hypocrites who don't even pay attention to the central message of their own holy books.
September 18, 2015 6:03 pm
Re: Christianity is not an ethnocentric or nationalist ideology — quite the contrary: it is explicitly an ANTI-ethnocentric and ANTI-nationalist ideology. I appreciate that some of people read the epistles attributed to Saint Paul that way as a progressive revelation or advancement that altered the rules laid down in the earlier episodes, where he was present and agreed that only a remnant of the Gentiles, who had been predestined and specifically chosen by God to bear his name, would be spared and saved when the Jewish Messiah returns to rebuild and restore the fallen "Tabernacle of David" (see Acts 15 and Romans 10-11). Religious Jewish universalists read the more ancient prophecies in exactly the same way, i.e. that what Amos, Jeremiah, or the prophets said in the end was a progressive revelation of equal authority to the five books of Moses. But there are Jews and Christians alike who do not accept that proposition and have various doctrines about the infallibility and eternal nature of the prophecies and commandments in those earlier books. The Church made a corporate decision, based upon the prophesies about "the Tabernacle of David". That was last seen by the Spring of Gihon (down in Silwan not up on Al Aqsa). They invoked the Holy Spirit in Acts Chapter 15. They said the Gentiles should observe a short subset of Noahide laws and that the Jewish believers, including Paul (who was present), should continue to observe all of the ethnocentric and tribal laws and customs of Moses. Paul's subsequent epistles are as close an approximation of universalism as you'll find in any Jewish literature. But unfortunately they're just part of a larger hodge-podge of conflicting, ethnocentric canon(s) of scripture, including the Epistles of Saint Peter to the Jews of Babylonia and the almost anti-Semetic Revelation of Jesus Christ attributed to Saint John. Even Paul said in Roman's that those Gentiles are simply "a wild branch" that is being grafted into the "House of Israel" that God only steps in and saves in the end because of the promises he made to the Patriarchs. So, Gentiles can read elsewhere in their own scriptures that they are fated to be reigned-over by the resurrected King of the Jews, who sits on the throne of David in Jerusalem, worships in a rebuilt Temple, and rules over them with a rod of iron for a thousand years - and there's not supposed to be one jot oir tiitle of alteration in the laws that Gentiles and the Jews respectively observe, until all those prophecies are fulfilled. Only that triggers the end of time and the beginning of "the World to Come" in a New Jerusalem.
September 18, 2015 9:11 pm
Re: And what did you mean when you said you subscribe to a Jewish theory of Everything a few weeks ago? LoL! In computer programming there's an old joke which explains that "To understand recursion, you must understand recursion." You have to understand what My Jewish Theory of Everything consists of before you can understand what I mean. Everyone has a Jewish Theory of Everything. For example, Sean keeps trying to work one out involving a few self-appointed oligarchs. I think anybody with half a brain in their head can explain why their Zionism and version of Judaism = Racism. But only someone who has taken the time to study the Torah and Talmud can explain to its adherents why they are also involved in a complete and utterly antinomian corruption of the specific teachings found in those two Jewish holy books. I don't expect normal people to do that. BTW, JVP does NOT say that our members are in a special position to criticize Israel and Zionists because we are Jewish. In fact, many of JVPs members are NOT. They are in a special position, because they subscribe to the Jewish social tradition found in those Jewish holy books which says that racism and hatred of others, without a cause, is the very sin that destroyed the ancient Jewish community from within and led to its destruction and exile. You don't hear that fact mentioned very often. We are also specifically instructed not to return en mass to Palestine and not to rebel against any terms of parole imposed by the Gentile nations whenever we do. The Zionists didn't do anything except rebel and go to war against the terms of the LoN mandate and immigration quotas. After asking the United Nations to adjudicate their case, they violated every UN resolution on the subject that the Gentile nations have adopted so far. There's literally a passage in the Talmud where the unrighteous minority in the national Sanhedrin had to slaughter enough of their righteous opponents, by putting them to the sword, so that they could win a vote count and adopt 18 ordinances that legally banned any form of communication or commerce between Jews and their Gentile neighbors. A Voice from Heaven even announces afterward that the Halakhah (the way Jews should live) is to follow the universalist teachings of the victims, the disciples of Rabbi Hillel. He's the guy who recited the Golden Rule while standing on one foot and claimed that it constituted the whole of Jewish tradition and law. When the modern day Knesset of the so-called Jewish State voted to build walls and checkpoints between the Jewish and Gentile inhabitants of the land, none of the members had to be put to the sword or even bothered to mention this central message from the Talmud. Doesn't all of that strike you as being a little strange? So when one of these ass-hats accuses me of failing to preserve 3,000 years of Jewish tradition, I always point out these lessons and give them a link to the full-length, chapter and verse, edition of my "Jewish Theory of Everything", e,g. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/theodor-according-minister#comment-780547
September 18, 2015 11:12 pm
Re: Day of Judgement – what is that? Is it not part of the apocalyptic scenario? Sure. The Christian "apocalypse" is just the unveiling party that God throws in Heaven to reveal his Son to their enemies and establish that he is the Messiah who has been delegated the authority to open the Book of Life and judge all of the quick and the dead - because he allegedly paid the price for mankind's sin and is the only one worthy to redeem them by breaking the seals that have stayed divine justice from bursting forth up until that point. Without getting wrapped-up in all of the millennialist timetables and debates, it suffices to say that event is probably scheduled to happen at the very end of the current age or in the world to come. FYI, other Jewish apocalyptic literature delegated the job to non-divines like Enoch, Elijah, or Moses. There's a common theme that mankind was created lower than the angels, but ends up transformed into something just like them. For example "the four living beasts" in the book of Revelations are apparently just resurrected men who join-in with the four and twenty elders when they all say that the Lamb of God that was slain "had redeemed them out of every nation tribe and tongue". So the Christian version of Heaven appears to be a multinational affair - at least in that passage.
September 19, 2015 12:12 am
P.S. Sean, I don't recall ever saying that I was a real Jew. I just said that I was Jew-ish and that anyone who had read the Torah and the Talmud could explain to a Zionist or Ultra-Orthodox racist that he or she isn't a real Jew, i.e. "I think anybody with half a brain in their head can explain why their Zionism and version of Judaism = Racism. But only someone who has taken the time to study the Torah and Talmud can explain to its adherents why they are also involved in a complete and utterly antinomian corruption of the specific teachings found in those two Jewish holy books. I don’t expect normal people to do that."
September 18, 2015 11:52 pm
Re: Whenever I hear progressive Jewish anti-Zionists and non-Zionists claim that they are the real Jews, and that the Jewish establishment are fake Jews, I feel like they are trying to baffle us with bullshit and pilpul us to death. Well you're welcome to read the Talmud for yourself and see that it says the 2nd Temple was destroyed and the Jewish people exiled, despite all of their works of charity on account of "hatred without a cause" - and that it was just as grave a sin as the idolatry which caused the 1st Temple to be destroyed. The day the 18 ordinances that prohibited neighborly relations with the Gentiles were adopted is described as being every bit as bad for the nation of Israel as the day the Golden Calf was made. The bottom line lesson is that xenophobia is as self-destructive as idolatry. All of that was described in the 1906 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia as non-controversial scholarly consensus on Orthodox Jewish doctrine and dogma. I've even given you the links to the online editions of it and the Talmud in my comments over at Mondoweiss. So you don't even have to take my word for it. If you think its bullshit or pilpul read it for yourself. I think it suffices to say that when the Zionist troll who bitched about anti-Zionist Jews abandoning 3,000 years of tradition was given a chance to reply to the evidence, he didn't bother to try.
September 18, 2015 6:22 pm
Re: Some players who have been much more influential in defining “Jewishness” for the contemporary world than cute and cuddly Seinfeld characters: So what else is new? The Jews have always used the same tactics to assert their authority over secular non-believers and assert their claim to "leadership" over us all by founding these branded masthead organizations of oligarchs and true sons of the covenant. That's what they do. If you're waiting for normal Jewish people to become corrupt, rich, and establish our own 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) you can now "forget about it," because that's not what normal people do.
September 18, 2015 11:24 pm
Re: They are weird biblecentric fanatics but not ethnocentrics they will accept anyone who goes along with their beliefs. Clarification: Jews will accept anyone who goes along with their beliefs too. That's reflected in DNA studies which show that as much as 60 percent of the typical ethnocentric Jew's DNA is derived from non-Middle Eastern Gentile ancestors.
September 18, 2015 4:14 pm
Re: Is that what it means to be Jewish? No, that's what it means to be a Jew. Being Jewish is what Jerry Elaine, George, and Kramer were doing during a Seinfeld episode. In the Age of Enlightenment, only "Jews" practiced Judaism. Their children weren't on the Church baptismal records and they didn't pay taxes to the State Churches. Those who didn't practice Judaism or convert to Christianity as adults were called "Jew-ish," because they WERE NOT Jews - but were nonetheless subjected to taxation by these "Chief Rabbis," who the local Gentile rulers conspired with and permitted to operate their own little Oriental fiefdoms. Sachs is the former Chief Rabbi of the UK. There still are some countries in Europe where you have to opt-out of the local State Church payroll tax withholding system and the religious leaders play a quasi-official role in affairs of State. Nowadays, most Jewish people in the West use the language of their host countries, instead of ones of their own design, like Yiddish or Ladino, so Jewish culture is much more mainstream per se today than Arab culture. The Yiddish-only culture in the 19th Century USA gave way little-by-little to the "Jewish Publication Society of America" English-only one, and other than a tiny pocket in the Catskills, it finally just merged into mainstream US culture. Unfortunately it has infected western Christian societies with Zionism, because many Gentiles lack the necessary natural immunity (secular Anti-Zionism) that most Jew-ish and a few Reform Jews had developed to it. There really is no separate body of "Jewish" literature, poetry, stage plays, motion pictures, and etc. in America today. If the Israelis don't make English editions of their works, nobody here will buy them. Many Islamophobic American TV shows and motion pictures are remakes of Hebrew language Israeli TV shows and motion pictures. Those functional areas are handled by the same globalized publishing houses, production companies, and entertainment industry as everyone else's. For the most part, Jewish people in America today wouldn't know a passage from the Talmud even if they heard it, and would have to read the subtitles if a TV show or movie wasn't in English.
September 18, 2015 10:28 pm
Re: So is Jew-ish an ethnic identity that does not assimilate, or one that assimilates but can maintain a separatist ideology within a nation, like Catalunyans in Spain today? Depending on the local circumstance I guess it could be both. I don't personally buy-in to the immiscibility of races or ethnic groups if that's what you mean. Anyone can be assimilated. But yes, like I said, it was originally a legal status for a time in states where you were either baptized at birth or when you were converted or confirmed latter in life - and everyone had to be listed on registries maintained by the authorities of the local Church, Synagogue, or Mosque. If your parents were religious Jews and you didn't convert, these Christian or Ottoman societies considered you unassimilated and still Jew-ish, especially if you spoke Yiddish, Ladino, or a Jewish language at home. In many cases your personal status was still governed by the local religious courts, even if you weren't. As those legal distinctions melted away, the state started calling everyone in the relevant ethnic groups Jewish. In the USA, the states and federal government took different approaches at first. Jewish persons could always hold federal offices, but many state constitutions required officials to subscribe to the Christian faith and had religious oaths of office. When the 14th Amendment was adopted, the states and the federal government were still firm believers in unscientific theories about the origin of the "Caucasian" race in Europe. They considered Jews and Arabs to be members of non-European, non-Caucasian races. The Congress discussed that fact when they were debating the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (42 U.S. Code § 1982 - Property rights of citizens and 42 US Code § 1981 - Equal rights under the law) which gave Jews and Arabs some of the same property and contract rights as white citizens. That didn't mean things were desegregated, so Jews still needed their own businesses and social institutions in many cases. The B'nai Brith originally came into existence as a mutually-owned life, casualty, and burial insurance company that morphed into a political machine with subsidiaries that ran homes for the elderly and thinly disguised synagogues on state university campuses that otherwise prohibited that sort of thing, and eventually offered college credit for "Jewish studies" departments they endowed. Years after some federal Courts ruled that Arabs and Jews were suddenly "white," many states still disagreed and the district courts were divided. The Supreme Court eventually ruled that, although they are considered white, they could still file discrimination lawsuits under the terms of those 1866 statutes as members of an ethnic minority group (St. Francis College v. Al-Khazraji and Shaare-Tefila Congregation v. Cobb). I personally think that the fact Congress still has laws on the books that mention white citizens versus non-white ones and that the Office of Management and Budget and the Census Bureau still request that everyone list which racial or ethnic theory they subscribe to, by periodically checking a box on a government form is part of our problem, not part of any solution. Re: What about the Borscht belt and all that has evolved from that heyday? That's what I meant when I said, other than a small cultural pocket in the Catskills.
Phyllis Bennis: ISIS Is Filling The Holes Left By The US War On Terror – Sean Nevins/MintPress
September 17, 2015 9:00 pm
Re: O.K. I will ignore him..but his bizarre rage for some reason has become hysterically funny to me. But I’ll quit…lol Go back to dreamland, it's the only place you'll get an apology or where I have any rage problems. I'll agree to ignore anything you claim to know on good hearsay authority about Bennis or Chomsky though.
September 17, 2015 7:29 pm
Re: Yea, I’ m a dangerous liar who is keeping you from delivering valuable facts to the community with my invisibility ray gun that disappears the 20000 words you have written on this so no one can see them. I think anyone can see that the Supreme Court disagrees with you about the ability of victims to take action on their own behalf and get Federal Court-ordered remedies, including treble damages. Full Stop. The Zionists certainly know that and have been waging lawfare campaigns in US Courts against the Palestinian resistance groups for years. If there's 20,000 words here hiding that information its because you've repeatedly done what you falsely accuse Chomsky of doing, and are still here trying to divert attention away from the facts by falsely convincing others that the doors of US Federal Courts are somehow closed to them if they are Palestinian. Re: Wake me when you are ready to apologize for the first lie you told about what I said, then we’ll talk about the other lies in this rant. You haven't identified a single lie that I've ever told about you and couldn't do so if your life depended upon it. So go back to dreamland and zzzzzzzzzzzzz to your heart's content.
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